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Baroness Thatcher has died following a stroke, her spokesman Lord Bell says 16 Apr 2013 19:28 #501

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www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/...der-act-8572580.html
Thatcher funeral: Police plan to arrest protesters under 'draconian' Public Order Act

Campaigners reacted angrily last night after Scotland Yard suggested protesters should consider avoiding Baroness Thatcher’s cortège – because they face arrest under a controversial public order law.

A Metropolitan Police spokesman told The Independent yesterday that demonstrators were more likely than usual to be held under Section 5 of the Public Order Act, because mourners are considered particularly vulnerable to suffering distress.

The law allows police to detain those who cause "alarm, harass or distress", and officers will be given discretion about how they interpret the law. A Scotland Yard spokesman urged protesters to consider "staying away" and that, because of the vulnerable state of those in attendance, arrests under Section 5 could be "higher up the agenda" than usual.

The advice was met angrily by protesters who described it as "draconian" warning that the deployment of arrests under the Public Order Act that was testament to an "era of compulsory mourning".

Val Swain, of the police monitoring campaign group Netpol, said: "This is a public state occasion not a private family funeral. The power is so wide-ranging that it gives police huge discretion over who they can arrest. It is tantamount to arresting people that are not supportive of Thatcher's ideology."

The Deputy Speaker Nigel Evans MP defended the cost of the funeral, adding that he does not know where the much-cited £10m figure has come from.

Speaking on ITV's Daybreak show this morning, he said the Bishop of Grantham, the Rt Rev Dr Tim Ellis, had "got it wrong" over his description of the scale and the cost of the funeral as a "mistake" which may play into the hands of extremists.

"He has got it wrong," he said.

"I do not know where the £10 million figure has come from. It is going to be substantial sums but when you have got the Queen and other world leaders coming in for this funeral, then you are always going to have substantial security costs.

"So we are where we are."

He added: "We have just had an amazing Olympics which cost billions, we have had an amazing Diamond Jubilee which cost well in excess of £10 million - the world was looking at London, we do pomp and ceremony incredibly well. We are talking about marking the passing of the first woman prime minister in this country and indeed of the western world.

"Yes, I think it is going to be done in the right way but pomp and ceremony is something we do awfully well."

Tens of thousands of people are expected to attend the funeral on Wednesday as Lady Thatcher's coffin travels through London to St Paul's Cathedral.

A full military rehearsal for the funeral took place in the early hours of this morning, with organisers saying the run-through went "very well". (Click here or view gallery above for a gallery of this morning's preparations)

Scotland Yard has worked closely with Downing Street and the Home Office to finalise security arrangements and last night appeared to soften its stance by granting permission to those planning to turn their back on the funeral carriage.

Alongside the funeral, simultaneous demonstrations are expected to be held around the country, including Yorkshire, where miners will mark the anniversaries of the closures of their pits.

Nine demonstrators arrested during a "death party" in Trafalgar Square were charged by police yesterday. Police had arrested a total of 16 people for a range of offences assaulting police, affray and drunk and disorderly.

David Lawley-Wakelin, who was charged under Section 5 last year for heckling Tony Blair at the Leveson Inquiry, told The Independent: "This law has become used at the whim of judges and applied spuriously as it was in my case. It is eroding free speech and taking us closer towards countries [where] we are trying to stop this from happening."

The present law allows police to detain those who cause 'alarm or distress'.
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A Metropolitan Police spokesman told The Independent yesterday that demonstrators were more likely than usual to be held under Section 5 of the Public Order Act, because mourners are considered particularly vulnerable to suffering distress.

The law allows police to detain those who cause "alarm, harass or distress", and officers will be given discretion about how they interpret the law. A Scotland Yard spokesman urged protesters to consider "staying away" and that, because of the vulnerable state of those in attendance, arrests under Section 5 could be "higher up the agenda" than usual.

There is SO much wrong in that.
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Baroness Thatcher has died following a stroke, her spokesman Lord Bell says 16 Apr 2013 21:07 #503

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A long time American friend posted elsewhere:
Don't you think the Orwellian jackboots in London will purge the streets of miscreants with northern accents beforehand? Hell they've been known to round up peaceful coops on the mere suspicion of a thought that they could be associated with "antisocial behaviour".

My suggestion is to dress in suits and pretend to be young conservatives, then when the time is right bum-rush the hearse.

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I feel sure someone must have already commented on this, and I've missed it - so apologies for that - but I hadn't realised Maggie was going to pollute the ocean!!!

Officials have confirmed that former Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher will be buried at sea to prevent her grave becoming a shrine for Etonian alumni.

newsthump.com/2013/04/11/thatcher-to-be-...ine-for-eton-alumni/

More like they know people are likely to desecrate her grave, I should think.
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Gilly wrote:
I feel sure someone must have already commented on this, and I've missed it - so apologies for that - but I hadn't realised Maggie was going to pollute the ocean!!!

Officials have confirmed that former Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher will be buried at sea to prevent her grave becoming a shrine for Etonian alumni.

newsthump.com/2013/04/11/thatcher-to-be-...ine-for-eton-alumni/

More like they know people are likely to desecrate her grave, I should think.

Somebody whisper to Gilly that Newsthump is a satire site, s'not real.

So, it's been a bit windy but at least the sun is shining and the snow isn't falling eh.
Nice weather for a funeral procession.
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Baroness Thatcher has died following a stroke, her spokesman Lord Bell says 16 Apr 2013 21:18 #506

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Gilly wrote:
More like they know people are likely to desecrate her grave, I should think.

Without a doubt. :yup:
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Baroness Thatcher has died following a stroke, her spokesman Lord Bell says 16 Apr 2013 21:24 #507

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feather wrote:
Gilly wrote:
I feel sure someone must have already commented on this, and I've missed it - so apologies for that - but I hadn't realised Maggie was going to pollute the ocean!!!

Officials have confirmed that former Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher will be buried at sea to prevent her grave becoming a shrine for Etonian alumni.

newsthump.com/2013/04/11/thatcher-to-be-...ine-for-eton-alumni/

More like they know people are likely to desecrate her grave, I should think.

Somebody whisper to Gilly that Newsthump is a satire site, s'not real.

So, it's been a bit windy but at least the sun is shining and the snow isn't falling eh.
Nice weather for a funeral procession.

I had to quote you to get the text to a readable size, Feather. :dolf:

No, I didn't know it was a satirical site, and have now read that she's being cremated & her ashes placed with Dennis'.
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Gilly wrote:
I had to quote you to get the text to a readable size, Feather. :dolf:
No, I didn't know it was a satirical site, and have now read that she's being cremated & her ashes placed with Dennis'.
I was merely trying to save your blushes m'dear. :rose:

To read small text In future, simply hold down the Ctrl key and then + (you can zoom it up to around 8 times)
To return your screen to normal hold Ctrl and press 0 (zero).

See? it works but you had to try it anyway eh, couldn't just take my word for it!
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Cheers - cool tip!

That wasn't a personal comment or anything.
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To be fair, it is hard to see the satire from the srious with all this palava. Big Ben silenced. Dawn Raids on troublemakers. Greatest Leader of Peacetime getting a miliary style funeral.

Fkn madness
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mikey mikey wrote:
To be fair, it is hard to see the satire from the srious with all this palava. Big Ben silenced. Dawn Raids on troublemakers. Greatest Leader of Peacetime getting a miliary style funeral.

Fkn madness
It's impossible. Satire has become pointless. I couldn't watch something like HIGNFY now, I just don't find the way the world is amusing at all.
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mikey mikey wrote:
To be fair, it is hard to see the satire from the srious with all this palava. Big Ben silenced. Dawn Raids on troublemakers. Greatest Leader of Peacetime getting a miliary style funeral.

Fkn madness

I confess I didn't read it thoroughly, as have an eye infection & am just scanning things, with my eyes throbbing like cigarette burns. :D

But yes, it's a proper circus.

Wasn't Churchill buried at sea?
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Gilly wrote:
Cheers - cool tip!
That wasn't a personal comment or anything.

No problem. :)

You can also zoom out using the - (minus) key but that's a pretty useless feature tbh.
same deal, use Ctrl 0 to reset the screen to normal.
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wake_up_bomb wrote:
It's impossible. Satire has become pointless. I couldn't watch something like HIGNFY now, I just don't find the way the world is amusing at all.

Agreed. Satire has become a portrayal of the sadly all too real: Thick of It. Veep. The office
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A full military rehearsal for the funeral took place in the early hours of this morning, with organisers saying the run-through went "very well".

Did they shoot the coffin?
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A full military rehearsal for the funeral took place in the early hours of this morning, with organisers saying the run-through went "very well".

Did they shoot the coffin?
With silver bullets?
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feather wrote:
Gilly wrote:
Cheers - cool tip!
That wasn't a personal comment or anything.

No problem. :)

You can also zoom out using the - (minus) key but that's a pretty useless feature tbh.
same deal, use Ctrl 0 to reset the screen to normal.

The bit about returning it back is very important.
Otherwise you will go insane with frequent visits to the opticians
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The bit about returning it back is very important.
Otherwise you will go insane with frequent visits to the opticians
Remember it's Gilly.
Opticians are surplus to requirements..
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