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Imprisoned for Teaching how to Beat Polygraph 08 Sep 2013 14:59 #1

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Source: Police State USA

Indiana man sentenced to 8 months in federal prison for teaching people to beat lie-detectors

ALEXANDRIA, VA — An Indiana man thought he had the freedom to speak about controversial topics and teach others what he knows. The Federal Government disagreed. This week that man found out that the penalty for free speech is 8 months in federal prison. He taught people how to beat polygraph tests. The case has sparked a debate about whether or not the right to lie, or teach others to lie, should be protected under the First Amendment.

“My wife and I are terrified,” said Chris Dixon, of Marion, Indiana. “I stumbled into this. I’m a Little League coach in Indiana…never in my wildest dreams did I somehow imagine I was committing a crime.”

Dixon, 34, had been struggling to find work as an electrical engineer and began working as a polygrapher. He soon began giving lessons on defeating the polygraph test.

A polygraph test measures blood pressure, sweat activity, respiration and movement to identify people who lie or try to beat the test. While polygraph data is not admissible in court, polygraphers use the information to detect what they believe are lies, followed by an attempt to elicit a confession to confirm their suspicions.

Polygraph instructors, like Dixon, claim to teach methods that help the test-subjects avoid scrutiny. Polygraph countermeasures include controlled breathing, muscle tensing, tongue biting and mental arithmetic.

“It may be unfortunate for federal law enforcement … but it is protected speech to tell people how to lie on a polygraph,” Dixon’s lawyer, Nina Ginsberg, said.

Despite having no criminal record, the Federal government found out about his lessons and began pursuing him for obstructing federal proceedings and wire fraud.


www.blacklistednews.com/Indiana_man_sent...704/0/38/38/Y/M.html

I think the debates sparked about the right to lie under freedom of speech is missing the point.

I wouldn't have thought it was a breach of the law to know how to fool a polygraph. They're clearly not an infallible test, and as I learned from the series, "Lie to me", they don't prove guilt of anything in the first place - just anxiety. I'm pretty sure my anxiety would spike if wired up to one of those things and questioned, whether I was guilty or not.
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Imprisoned for Teaching how to Beat Polygraph 08 Sep 2013 15:03 #2

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The people who convicted others of crimes based on this devise, and their accomplices , knowing well it was fraudulent , are surely criminals.
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It makes no sense Gilly, I'd have thought there'd have to be something else he's done not mentioned there
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Polygraph is a Political tool, the modern equivalent of dunking a witch.
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Reptired wrote:
Polygraph is a Political tool, the modern equivalent of dunking a witch.

lol nice allegory :)

Still its not a crime as far as I can see
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Fraud? False Imprisonment based on bad information?
Do you think this is not the case or that these are not Crimes?
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Reptired wrote:
Fraud? False Imprisonment based on bad information?
Do you think this is not the case or that these are not Crimes?

He's not done anything fraudulent and he's not imprisoned anyone. The reverse is true for the gov going by the story ofc but afaik its not a crime to run a biz teaching people to trick lie detectors any more than it is to sell speedtrap detectors for cars for example.
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andyh wrote:
Reptired wrote:
Fraud? False Imprisonment based on bad information?
Do you think this is not the case or that these are not Crimes?

He's not done anything fraudulent and he's not imprisoned anyone. The reverse is true for the gov going by the story ofc but afaik its not a crime to run a biz teaching people to trick lie detectors any more than it is to sell speedtrap detectors for cars for example.

Ah, I think we got our wires crossed, I wasn't stating that the guy in the op was a criminal but the people involved in using polygraph to prosecute others. :thumbup:
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Gilly wrote:
I'm pretty sure my anxiety would spike if wired up to one of those things and questioned, whether I was guilty or not.

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I agree, Andy - it shouldn't be classed as a crime. But apparently, we're wrong, and the prosecutors (who wanted him to get a 2 year sentence) are right.

rt.com/usa/polygraph-instructor-sentenced-beat-detector-532/

Except that they're not right, and it's yet another case of the state shitting on people to suit its own fascist purposes. They make the laws up as they go along.
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Gilly wrote:
I agree, Andy - it shouldn't be classed as a crime. But apparently, we're wrong, and the prosecutors (who wanted him to get a 2 year sentence) are right.

rt.com/usa/polygraph-instructor-sentenced-beat-detector-532/

Except that they're not right, and it's yet another case of the state shitting on people to suit its own fascist purposes. They make the laws up as they go along.

'for teaching federal job applicants how to deceive a lie detector test'

Theres the issue big brother has. Twats ofc.
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Well one thing this does confirm is they are not infallible.
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oioioi wrote:
Well one thing this does confirm is they are not infallible.

Just yet more proof they're all corrupt to the core and shit scared.
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