If I may add my 2 pence, I have had numerous encounters with JD (Droike) on Ben's forum.

Truth be told that he's grating, abusive and foul mouthed. He also has a fixation with Ben / Hagbard, but he can't be accused of being ignorant. All his factual postings I can remember have been verifiable, scientifically accurate and well researched.

Criticise his personality if you must, but like a shadowy PI he does his research, knows his stuff and digs the dirt on people who cross him. I don't suggest believing everything he says or encouraging his abuse, but I do recommend giving some credence to many of his claims.

And regarding the actual topic of this thread, Hagbard (as I know him as) deserves as much respect as any conspiracy theorist I've encountered. Sadly his personality (on the HPANWO forum) has degenerated a lot in the last 6 months where he shows little interest in the truth, reasoning, or even defending his claims when challenged. He's still light-years ahead of the brainwashed souls such as Tis and her ilk though, so there's still plenty a-way to plummet.

intellectual rigour

reflex wrote: I agree with this, about JD anyway I don't know about Haggie in the last few months, I've known Drake on various forums over the years and despite his abrasive personality the content of his posts is often very memorable and informative.

He does provoke a certain amount of intellectual rigour and many truthers absolutely hate that more than anything.

He does provoke a certain amount of intellectual rigour and many truthers absolutely hate that more than anything.

reflex wrote: I agree with this, about JD anyway I don't know about Haggie in the last few months, I've known Drake on various forums over the years and despite his abrasive personality the content of his posts is often very memorable and informative.

He does provoke a certain amount of intellectual rigour and many truthers absolutely hate that more than anything.

He does provoke a certain amount of intellectual rigour and many truthers absolutely hate that more than anything.

just observing his posts at various points over the last few years.

Nice to see you back Gilly.

just observing his posts at various points over the last few years.

No room on decent forums for characters like him chandravaki.

There is having a laugh, & then there is just plain out-&-out nastiness.

Great to see you Gilly, Thank you for being here.

diamondgeezer wrote:
Thank you for that, and for sticking up for my point of view - and to others who did too. I know it could make me appear a bit of a demanding princess type, but the evil things I've seen this person partake in with regard to Hagbard (more than just name-calling) make me feel very strongly about it.

just observing his posts at various points over the last few years.

Mike wrote: And I agree. As my experience with him is just on the HPANWO forum, that's what I'm referencing. I could provide links to a number of his posts where he's included references to presentations of what he's describing (such as how focal length affects apparent distance in photos) if it would be of any benefit.

People like Gilly are probably grateful for his abusive postings as it lets them attack the presenter and not the facts. And there were plenty (proportionally speaking) of anti-JD posters who were just as vile but had nothing more to contribute than their opinion. I'm amused they never got banned.

Don't lose sight of the difference between the personality and the information. 'Tis better to listen to the annoying person who tells the truth than the charmer who spreads falsehoods. Or (in the case of Alex Jones and similar) the haters who publish propaganda!