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Re: The HIV/Aids Scam 16 Aug 2012 03:04 #21

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I am not impressed by any of the conspiracy theories either. Alex Jones for example seems to have an idea from somewhere, probably Leonard Horowitz, that 'HIV' was deliberately engineered and spread as some kind of bioweapon. That's a conspiracy theory, and I don't think it stands up when you examine the evidence.

I've spent hundreds of hours looking into this if not thousands and twice travelled intercontinentally to attend Rethinking AIDS conferences. I have challenged anyone who claims there is evidence for the 'HIV'/'AIDS' hypothesis to present it but it always falls flat. In some ways I wish someone had come up with something as life would, in many ways, have been easier.

As things are I find I feel obliged to spend much of my time trying to work out how to break this paradigm as it is clear to me that all the 'awareness' campaigns, testing and 'medicating' are causing a huge amount of suffering and death world-wide. So many, perhaps all(!) of the predictions made by the orthodox 'HIV'/'AIDS' establishment failed to come true (e.g. vaccine within two years, populations decimated all over the place). Everything about 'HIV'/'AIDS' 'science' seems to fly in the face of the rest of medical science; for every other virus the presence of antibodies indicates that your body has fought off the pathogen and you are now immune for example whereas with 'HIV' they mean you will die unless you take expensive, toxic so-called medicine for the rest of your life, for example, and I could go on, and on.

In short I have no idea why anyone find the 'HIV'/'AIDS' hypothesis convincing, other than perhaps because they have heard it repeated many times and it has somehow cemented into their minds in a way that is particularly hard to dislodge due to the intensity of the emotions involved, the whole sex and death thing.

I'm sorry you lost your friend, dreamweaver. I don't mean to insult his memory and would love to know why he concluded as he did. However the way I see it is that if there were some evidence I would have found it by now. Kary Mullis describes the situation very well in the first six minutes of this video:



Mullis won the Nobel Prize for his work on PCR in 1993 and is still doing paradigm changing research to this day see e.g. this 5 min TED talk:



How could it possibly be that a man who invents a technology so fundamental to science twenty years ago, who initially expected to find evidence for the 'HIV'/'AIDS' paradigm, could so clearly be of the opinion that he did everything within reason to find such evidence but nobody had any, including the man who eventually went on to win the Nobel Prize for the discovery of so-called 'HIV', unless there is something very wrong with the theory?

One hope I have is that Kary's Altimune technology (what he describes in the TED talk linked there) will take off soon and that'll cause a critical mass of the medical world to take his views on 'HIV'/'AIDS' seriously. I am minded to help spread awareness of his technology partly with this in mind. It's worth doing anyway as a seemingly more effective and presumably safer alternative to antibiotics would be of benefit to everyone, plus he expects to be able to replace vaccines too it seems if you look into it further e.g. by watching this Google 'Fireside Chat' talk he gave a couple of years ago:



The point is that if there is no evidence for the 'HIV'/'AIDS' hypothesis then all this 'testing' et cetera is just helping to spread fear, mess up people's sex lives, enrich big pharmaceutical companies and poison people, all of which needs to stop, as soon as possible!
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Re: The HIV/Aids Scam 16 Aug 2012 03:42 #22

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I'd like to thank you both for contributing to this thread, by the way. It is insightful to hear all experiences we as a group have of this issue, if only so that we might see the similarities in our experiences and learn more.

My main reason for posting this is because I too have experienced friends who have been effected, and some things just never stacked up for me. What is patently evident to me however, is that there is something other than just wanting to ease the suffering of people involved here. I had hoped we might all be able to focus a bit more on that, rather than arguing the obvious, but I suppose there really is no getting around that.

But thank you, everyone who has contributed so far.
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Re: The HIV/Aids Scam 16 Aug 2012 04:37 #23

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AIDS, Inc. is a film about the multi-billion dollar AIDS industry, and how it profits from continuing fears and misconceptions about the disease. While AIDS grabs the headlines and raises billions of dollars with celebrity endorsements and billionaire endowments, we are no closer to finding a cure than when the scourge first appeared 30 years ago. Could it be that after so many years of research, and so much money being spent, that the entire orthodox medical establishment has been wrong about AIDS, or even worse, has sought to profit on a system that it knew was flawed from the beginning?
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Re: The HIV/Aids Scam 21 Aug 2012 19:30 #24

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A Call for a Re-evaluation of the AIDS Dogma

Syphilis Spirochete By Matt Sullivan / RCFP

A paper about to be published in a scientific journal raises the intriguing possibility that many AIDS cases are in fact misdiagnosed cases of syphilis. The paper was authored by an International group of scientists led by National Academy of Sciences member Lynn Margulis, of the University of Massachusetts at Amherst, and Wolfgang E. Krumbein, professor of Geo-microbiology in Oldenburg, Germany.

The paper, titled Spirochete round bodies. Syphilis, Lyme disease & AIDS: Resurgence of “the great imitator,” will be published in SYMBIOSIS V47, No.1, 2009.

John Scythes, one of the researchers on the paper, reports that he has not found a single case of an immune suppressed patient (regardless of HIV status) who has died of complications of syphilis since the discovery of AIDS in the early 80s. The implications of this are staggering. It is simply not possible that syphilis stopped being fatal just as the new disease of AIDS came on the scene.

The researchers speculate that, because of its immune suppression effect and its ability to imitate other diseases, syphilis is being missed or misdiagnosed as AIDS. Now that improved tests for syphilis infection are available, the researchers urge a large scale investigation into the extent that this is happening.

In addition to Dr. Margulis, other co-authors include Andrew Maniotis PhD. Department of Patholog, University of Illinois at Chicago, J. MacAllister, U. Mass Amherst; J. Scythes of the Community Initiative for AIDS Research, Ontario, Canada; O. Brorson, Tonsberg, Norway; J. Hall, U. Mass. Amherst; W.E. Krumbein, Carl von Ossietzky Universität, Oldenburg Germany; and M.J. Chapman, U. Mass, Amherst.

Ever since Luc Montagnier of the Institut Pasteur in Paris first described HIV virus-like particles isolated from “patient 1” in 1983, a close connection has been shown between AIDS and a history of syphilis exposure.

As with AIDS, patients infected with syphilis do not die from syphilis directly, but rather suffer from opportunistic infections such as tuberculosis, pneumonia, or dysentery.

Syphilis was once known by doctors as “the great imitator” because of its immune suppression effects and its ability to mimic the symptoms of many other diseases. If syphilis and other spirochete diseases are being misdiagnosed as AIDS, that would explain why the number of reported syphilis deaths has plummeted since the introduction of AIDS.

Many human infections such as Lyme disease, syphilis, anthrax and many others are caused by a class of bacteria called spirochetes. These bacteria are characterized by a spiral free swimming form, and by the ability to revert into a cyst form when subjected to threat such as heat, starvation or antibiotic attack. This ability to form cysts (also called “round bodies”) makes spirochete diseases extremely resistant to treatment.

Contrary to the prevailing wisdom that syphilis is easily treated with antibiotics, the disease is frequently impervious to antibiotic treatment except in its earliest stages. Far from eradicating syphilis, antibiotics have driven the disease underground.

Until recently, the only way to definitively tell if someone had the syphilis germ, was high magnification microscopy by an expert microscopist. Since this is not usually done for patients in a clinical setting, reported cures of either syphilis or Lyme disease are suspect.

Spirochetes are an ancient form of bacteria. The oldest spirochete in the fossil record was discovered in the intestine of a 20 million year old termite preserved in amber.

Scientists know that Lyme and syphilis are caused by spirochete bacteria because the spirochete is able to cause the symptoms of the disease when it is introduced into a healthy test subject. This observation is one of the steps needed to verify that an infectious agent is the cause of a disease. Called Koch’s Postulates, the four steps require that the agent must:
1. be found in all cases of the disease;
2. be isolated from the host;
3. cause the same disease when injected into a healthy host, and
4. then be found growing again in the newly infected host.

While syphilis and Lyme bacteria meet the test of Koch’s postulates, HIV fails all four.

In the case of both Lyme and syphilis, it is very likely that the disease-causing bacteria establishes a permanent human-spirochete symbiosis soon after infection. The symptoms of the disease vary greatly and may be easily overlooked or misinterpreted.

Most spirochetes are harmless, free swimming species in nature, unrelated to any disease, therefore unknown to medical science. Animals and spirochetes have co-existed for millions of years and have co-evolved to the point that they have a symbiotic relationship, a partnership. It is theorized that some components of mammalian cells such as sperm tails and cilia are descended from these ancient bacteria. If this theory is correct, spirochete remnants have dwelled in stable symbiotic partnership inside animal cells for about 1 billion years.

Over eons of time, integrated symbiotic bacteria (which include Lyme and syphilis as well as many other non-pathogenic bacteria) have lost the ability to live independently. They have shed much of their own DNA and have become dependent on the gene products of the human host.

Scientists call this relationship “cyclical symbiosis” and have shown that in this type of symbiosis, virus-like particles are created as part of the integration process between the symbiont partners. These virus-like particles are not the disease-causing agents themselves; they are simply packets of genetic information being exchanged between co-evolved symbionts. Reverse transcriptases and virus-like particles are abundant in such cyclical symbioses.

Is it possible that HIV and other retroviruses are not disease-causing agents at all, but are rather genetic messages being passed between symbiotic partner cells? If so, that would explain why AIDS vaccine trials failed so spectacularly. It would also explain why HIV fails every one of Koch’s postulates for a disease causing agent.

Is it possible that the conventional HIV-AIDS medical orthodoxy is wrong? That certainly would explain why we are no closer to a cure today than we were 25 years ago when AIDS was first discovered; nor have we experienced the long predicted “AIDS pandemic.” There were approximately 1 million AIDS cases in 1990 and there are roughly that number today.

But the implications for public health are far more serious. The ongoing disintegration of the conventional medical theories about HIV-AIDS demonstrates that the National Institute of Health and the Food and Drug Administration have failed the public spectacularly yet again. It also means that thousands of patients are being erroneously treated with toxic, potentially deadly, AIDS drugs.

The entire HIV-AIDS paradigm must be re-evaluated.
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Re: The HIV/Aids Scam 16 Dec 2012 18:45 #25

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In college I wrote a paper about the elusiveness of the HIV virus and suggested an alternative treatment for catching it. Professor gave me half credit and criticized me for arguing with science. :rofl:
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