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Neutrons escaping to a parallel world? 20 Jun 2012 10:10 #1

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In a paper recently published in European Physical Journal C, researchers hypothesised the existence of mirror particles to explain the anomalous loss of neutrons observed experimentally. The existence of such mirror matter had been suggested in various scientific contexts some time ago, including the search for suitable dark matter candidates.

Theoretical physicists Zurab Berezhiani and Fabrizio Nesti from the University of l'Aquila, Italy, reanalysed the experimental data obtained by the research group of Anatoly Serebrov at the Institut Laue-Langevin, France. It showed that the loss rate of very slow free neutrons appeared to depend on the direction and strength of the magnetic field applied. This anomaly could not be explained by known physics.

Berezhiani believes it could be interpreted in the light of a hypothetical parallel world consisting of mirror particles. Each neutron would have the ability to transition into its invisible mirror twin, and back, oscillating from one world to the other. The probability of such a transition happening was predicted to be sensitive to the presence of magnetic fields, and could therefore be detected experimentally.

This neutron-mirror-neutron oscillation could occur within a timescale of a few seconds, according to the paper. The possibility of such a fast disappearance of neutrons—much faster than the ten-minute long neutron decay—albeit surprising, could not be excluded by existing experimental and astrophysical limits.

This interpretation is subject to the condition that the earth possesses a mirror magnetic field on the order of 0.1 Gauss. Such a field could be induced by mirror particles floating around in the galaxy as dark matter. Hypothetically, the earth could capture the mirror matter via some feeble interactions between ordinary particles and those from parallel worlds.

Neutrons escaping to a parallel world?

Too cool. It's interesting too, as it seems very similar to the different 'realms' described by ancient shamanistic cultures. An unforeseen parallel point of energetic existence from which reality as we know it originates from. Some call it the zero-point, source field, etc. This isn't the first time this sort of hypothesis has been formulated either. It's still cool to see that others have also come to similar conclusions to try and make sense of anomalous events that seem to defy the laws of physics and energy conservation. :hypo:
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Re: Neutrons escaping to a parallel world? 20 Jun 2012 10:25 #2

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It's all going a bit Buddhist isn't it :)

I'm reminded of a quote I once read in a cosmology book that goes a bit like this (paraphrased)

When cosmologists get to the top of their mountain they will most likely find a bunch of theologians that have been sat their patiently waiting for them.

If we accept that everything tangible is merely a selective 'tuning' in to a particular possibility of the infinite, things like this are not exactly surprising. That said, it's still fantastic that this sort of thing is now being observed empirically :)
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Re: Neutrons escaping to a parallel world? 20 Jun 2012 20:19 #3

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dubmeup wrote:
It's all going a bit Buddhist isn't it :)

I'm reminded of a quote I once read in a cosmology book that goes a bit like this (paraphrased)

When cosmologists get to the top of their mountain they will most likely find a bunch of theologians that have been sat their patiently waiting for them.

If we accept that everything tangible is merely a selective 'tuning' in to a particular possibility of the infinite, things like this are not exactly surprising. That said, it's still fantastic that this sort of thing is now being observed empirically :)

It is going that way, and it's great. It seems like a reemergence of Metaphysical ideologies.
That's an extremely relevant quote, I like it a lot. I couldn't agree more, Dub. It's very promising to see things like this observed empirically. It seems our species is reaching a crossroads of sorts, leading to a familiar path. A path that was once paved long ago. Excellent post. :thumbup:
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Re: Neutrons escaping to a parallel world? 20 Jun 2012 20:40 #4

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Yes Indy, some of these scientific people are getting pretty close to summit now hahahaha
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Re: Neutrons escaping to a parallel world? 20 Jun 2012 21:12 #5

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Yes Indy, some of these scientific people are getting pretty close to summit now hahahaha

True, but I think of it similarly to a Marathon. There's always a few to cross the finish line first. Eventually the rest of the runners cross too. ;)
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Re: Neutrons escaping to a parallel world? 20 Jun 2012 21:16 #6

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this is all going to end like event horizon lol
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Re: Neutrons escaping to a parallel world? 20 Jun 2012 21:25 #7

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batou wrote:
this is all going to end like event horizon lol

With less eye gouging and trips through the underworld though...hopefully. :hide:
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Re: Neutrons escaping to a parallel world? 20 Jun 2012 21:32 #8

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but thats where magic comes from. it'll be an adventure
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Re: Neutrons escaping to a parallel world? 20 Jun 2012 21:33 #9

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Cool threadage Mr I. :up:
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Re: Neutrons escaping to a parallel world? 20 Jun 2012 21:36 #10

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batou wrote:
but thats where magic comes from. it'll be an adventure

As long as I can keep my eyes, and not rant about 'seeing'. :couch:
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Re: Neutrons escaping to a parallel world? 20 Jun 2012 21:38 #11

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hey this is similar but on a show, they talked about planck length how it is the smallest length between two objects. theres nothing smaller than that, so everything moves around by dissappearing and reappearing a planck length away
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Re: Neutrons escaping to a parallel world? 20 Jun 2012 22:02 #12

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batou wrote:
hey this is similar but on a show, they talked about planck length how it is the smallest length between two objects. theres nothing smaller than that, so everything moves around by dissappearing and reappearing a planck length away
I sort of subscribe to the Haramein view that nothing moves. Rather that each event is a single possibility drawn from the sea of infinite possibility. Unique of itself. Possibilities being drawn out and returning to infinity/void/vacuum/the field in a kind of toroidal loop whereby consciousness is able to experience distinct and seemingly separate aspects of the one.

Planck length is kind of a mathematical illusion aimed at renormalizing equations to get rid of infinities as I understand it. Kind of like the difference between analogue and digital recording. Physicians/mathemeticians have traditionally had an aversion to dealing with infinities so they um don't. They use the theoretical Planck length as a tool to that end.
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Re: Neutrons escaping to a parallel world? 21 Jun 2012 08:48 #13

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Cool article. I thought quantum physics already covered this concept of atoms popping in and out of existence although not necessarily suggesting a parallel (identical?) world. It could be travelimg in and out of time although I suppose time could be considered a parallel reality. I did not know that Haramein said stuff stays still.
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Re: Neutrons escaping to a parallel world? 21 Jun 2012 14:30 #14

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To clarify, Haramein's view is that rather than stuff moving it enfolds and unfolds to and from the vacuum. That the movement we perceive is illusory. I'm inclined to agree with what you say apsara that there is no need to interpret this research as leaning towards a parallel world.
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Re: Neutrons escaping to a parallel world? 21 Jun 2012 15:29 #15

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Or the particles could merely be transforming into other types of energy/matter that we are simply unaware of yet without having to disappear into 'other dimensions'.

That totally pisses on the 'new agey' parade ofc but it would be the most likely and 'scientific' conclusion you can make.

If your rules of physics do not match the observed universe then your rules are obviously wrong :D
Religious people have no problems with that for hundreds of years, science itself is only a bit faster to change, lol
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Re: Neutrons escaping to a parallel world? 21 Jun 2012 15:42 #16

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Ive seen a few Haramein videos and they are captivating. Which is saying a lot for me since I dont typically have the attention span for any youtube longer than 5 minutes. My first introduction to quantum physics was actually through a preacher of all things who was a genius mathematician. Then I got into natural healing with acupressure and herbs and did not realize at first that these remedies work on quantum levels. I am reading tesla's book now the problem of increasing human energy which is pretty eye opening as well. He said that he saw things that werent really "there" but obviously they were somwhere if he was seeing them, and it became such a problem that he could not distinguish between actual objects in his surroundings and the objects that overlapped his vision. Maybe seeing into two realities at once?
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At the risk of getting tarred with the woo woo brush, I regularly see things that others would say aren't there. I started the "fairies" thread in the paranormal section to discuss such things. It's currently my view that this is nothing extraordinary. That what I experience is not so much a being from another dimension or whatever but something that is just as normal as a plant or a car. What I think may be happening is that I'm just experiencing things that are right at the fringes of our current senses. That they are here all the time but in the same way as we don't hear sub bass or see gamma rays we just don't perceive them. So I'm not inclined to say that Tesla was seeing into another reality but that his reality had expanded. Dunno though, this is all conjecture really.
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Re: Neutrons escaping to a parallel world? 21 Jun 2012 16:12 #18

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dubmeup wrote:
At the risk of getting tarred with the woo woo brush, I regularly see things that others would say aren't there. I started the "fairies" thread in the paranormal section to discuss such things. It's currently my view that this is nothing extraordinary. That what I experience is not so much a being from another dimension or whatever but something that is just as normal as a plant or a car. What I think may be happening is that I'm just experiencing things that are right at the fringes of our current senses. That they are here all the time but in the same way as we don't hear sub bass or see gamma rays we just don't perceive them. So I'm not inclined to say that Tesla was seeing into another reality but that his reality had expanded. Dunno though, this is all conjecture really.

I'd gladly paint you with the woo-woo or any other kind of brush, dubs.

I sometimes 'sense' things, particularly about locations. I don't know if I'm sensing the past or the future necessarily, but I often see things kind of overlaid onto what my contemporaries can actually see in front of them. Take my flat, for example. You know how stylish decorators can often be heard to say "let the building tell you what it wants done" or somesuch? I get this a lot. When I moved in here, I had trouble focusing on the place as it actually was, as all I kept getting from it was a really strong 50s vibe.

I happen to love all things 50s and 40s as those two periods in history have always resonated with me. As a result, the place now looks like a museum, but it just feels right for the building and I feel very comfortable here. I 'knew' that the bathroom walls had to be half and half (a darker colour on the bottom and a lighter on the top) for example. Interestingly, they were painting the common parts a couple of years ago and stripped back a lot of the paint to reveal just this style underneath, probably from when the place was first put up. There is no way I could have known that, but it just felt right.

Make sense? I get it really bad with derelict buildings too. Like I can see some point in it's recent history or even it's future where it has been repaired and is full of life. Kind of like echoes is another way to describe it I suppose. Interesting stuff nonetheless. I think our physical environment definitely retains memories of happier times (or even not so happy times) that are audible/visible if you take the time to look and listen. Many people pick up on this quite by accident too.

I'll shut up now. :emb:

EDIT: Just to add to that, my experiences definitely lend credence to the theory that everything is happening concurrently, for me. Time is far from linear, if it exists at all in any sense we as humans could actually recognise.
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Re: Neutrons escaping to a parallel world? 21 Jun 2012 16:54 #19

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I hear you about sensing locations Abs. The Genius Locii as some call it. This is something I encounter too. An elder of my family was a proficient dowser and I am honoured to have seen him work before he kicked the old bucket. This is something which many poo poo but have never been able to disprove. Something which farmers across the globe are aware of and for which they will pay good money to the skilled.
Sensing the past or future is in the same field I think. Again, if every event is a unique possibility drawn from the infinite and then re-absorbed into it so to speak, that event is and always will be, present in the infinite. There for consciousness to explore/revisit. I sort of see time as a stream of thought. Conscious flow I suppose. I'm a bit tired right now though and not making a lot of sense, even to me.
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Re: Neutrons escaping to a parallel world? 23 Jun 2012 04:38 #20

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Great posts, it is good to see people gifted in these ways. Or maybe everyone is supposed to have these abilities? I think humans in general are operating way below their capacity...some say we have 12 strand dna but only 2 of them are active, or that we only use a teeny portion of our brain. I wonder what a human would look/be like if all these faculties were active to their full potential. Im sure telepathy and telekinesis fit right in there. I stumbled across a fascinating book at a book sale bout gifted children who could move or bend stuff with their minds, or even have senses in "odd" places like vision out of their armpits or from their hands. They were blidfolded and tested and it was determined they could actually do these things for reals. A documentary was made about it and shortly after it was televised there were thousands of people who responded saying they or their children could do those same things and they didnt know that there were others. Its an interesting world we live in, amd maybe youre right that reality is only expanded to every frequency so that all things may be seen simultaneouly but not necessarily from "parallel" realities. :)
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