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Serious questions about Mind Control 13 Jun 2012 20:03 #1

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*Not really sure where this belongs...*

There is a fine line between mind control and delusions...or is there? And how does one differentiate? And then, if it is mind control, what kind? Was the person a victim of trauma-based or T.V. programming(NLP and subliminal programming)? What other types of mind control techniques are there(that we are aware of)? How does one find a reliable source for such information? And who can one trust to talk to?

Can we even rely on our own mind/thoughts? I can hardly trust my own. I feel like I've been confused and at odds with myself/beliefs/reality for several years, particularly this last year.

The thing is, I do believe some people are mind controlled(MK Ultra and mass mind control)...well, on a large scale, I'd say most people are mind controlled through the media. This is what causes my confusion on the topic.
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Re: Serious questions about Mind Control 13 Jun 2012 23:05 #2

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I'm struggling to understand what you mean
Is your question can you rely on your thoughts being your own?
or that maybe you were in a trauma based mind control program?

there are 3 types of mind control:
mass manipulation through influencing culture (TV etc.)
mass trauma and manipulation through false flag terrorism, war and financial chaos.
and direct trauma based mind control.
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Re: Serious questions about Mind Control 13 Jun 2012 23:37 #3

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*Not really sure where this belongs...*

Its just fine in here, since it is effectively programming.
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Re: Serious questions about Mind Control 14 Jun 2012 00:02 #4

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Hi K-Bone. Re not trusting your own thoughts. I think that this is a very good sign that your own intelligence is awake and well. As martg has posted, there are different ways to colour or control a person's thoughts - spin-doctors advertising and media, etc., play on this a lot to persuade and convince people that something is or isn't true. But inside the mind is something that knows the truth - many people refer to it as their True North. It's just a little inkling that what's being said might not be true...

That leads you to the kind of mental wrangling you are perhaps experiencing; and it's that that leads you to your own belief and Truth.

It's a good thing, don't be worried about it. Your head is not being taken over by aliens or gamma rays. You're "feeling your way". If only more people would do that (it's called figuring things out for yourself) the liars and "controllers" wouldn't have a leg to stand on.

The only desolately controlled people - those who don't have much say at all in what they believe or how they must act - are those who have had their minds broken to the extent that their True North is completely disabled. As long as you are questioning things, you are not one of those.

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Re: Serious questions about Mind Control 14 Jun 2012 00:15 #5

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I'm a bit scatter-brained tonight so I'll give this another read-through tomorrow and respond.

Great topic by the way, K-Bone!! :thumbup:
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Re: Serious questions about Mind Control 14 Jun 2012 01:48 #6

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The fact that you frequent places such as this is testament that you are 'functioning', k. Don't sweat it. :up:
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Re: Serious questions about Mind Control 14 Jun 2012 13:44 #7

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Still haven't had time to figure out the multiquote, so Thanks to everyone and I'm gonna just do a bulk reply. :)

I certainly don't want to imply that I, myself, am MK'd. I do believe that I was shaped by mass media mind control, movies and such. That would be the more logical explanation but I suppose I could alter my perception to believe I was MK'd, y'know?

God, I'm so horrible at expressing this! :emb: For example, you have a homeless guy screaming about a "chip in his head" or some such senario. Now, it's a pretty safe bet that he is suffering from some sort of mental disorder but it's not as though "they" wouldn't use a homeless man for a guinea pig.

And if you were someone who had suspicions that they were mind controlled, who would you talk to? A shrink is going to think you are delusional...and maybe you are. But the shrink is going to be biased so if you were actually a victim, the shrink would be persuading you away from the truth. And it works the other way, too. Some people wouldn't even think about the possibility that they were crazy. I always try to consider all angles and so my internal dialogue is constantly debating itself.

This is a topic that has been really plaguing me and for some personal reasons. There are just too many layers to delve into my reasons for being preoccupied with my mind control queries. I have had a very strange life with some fucked up experiences(I feel like I'm living in a David Lynch nightmare sometimes :fraid: ) and I've know so many odd people.

Long before I was able to access internet, conspiracy type subjects were always of interest; aliens, the paranormal, ESP, government mind control, parallel dimensions, ect. But I was never into a "conspiracy movement", just speculating with my best friend about our bizarre thoughts and ideas. When I was a teenager, my uncle had a sort of melt down. I remember my dad talking about how paranoid he was. He thought a helicopter was following them once when he was riding with my dad. He told my dad that people were following him; he had become fearful for his life and wasn't sleeping. One night, he called my father and told him he was working with the CIA & FBI. He kept saying he was "the bait". It was about some family who lived across the street...they were the target because they were "ring leaders' or something. He told my dad some shit was going down and he told him when. My dad just thought he was talking crazy. Well, that night came.

From what I understand, my uncle had guns and ammo lined up against the wall. he had, I believe, bags of clothes or piles of them stacked up against the window(for any incoming bullets). He told his wife that the houses around them were filled with SWAT team, he was working for the government, ect. He had her go sit in the bathtub with a pillow, then proceeded to fire at the house across the street. :ar:

One of the neighbors called and he even stopped shooting for a moment to talk to him; calm & lucid. Then he went back to firing! His stepson was a cop and ended up at the scene, talking him out. He still insisted he was working with the CIA. They cuffed him and threw him in the backseat of the cop car to which he exclaimed, "Where's the SWAT team?" It's my understanding that he even told his lawyer this story. His wife said he'd been hearing voices. Oh, no one was injured, btw!

Anyway, he went to a mental institution for a bit. Interesting to note, the stupid local news gave out my sweet aunt's place of employment and she got death threats or something! She didn't do anything and she's super sweet! :angel:

Whew! I hadn't intended to ramble! Sorry! So, even though I was just like "Great my uncle's crazy!" there was a part of me that wondered "What if?" especially when I heard this odd little piece of the story- even my mom thought it was curious. In the days leading up to my uncle's big shootout, one of my aunt's sons or son-in-law was visiting with him. My uncle told him that a man would be coming by and that he would be carrying(and this is second hand so maybe not exactly what he said) two bags and a flag(or something to that effect). He was supposed to be involved with whatever my uncle thought he was involved with. Shortly after, there was a knock at the door and there stood the man with the flag & bags, just as my uncle said. I don't believe he stayed, just exchanged words(and bags?). But that part, at least was real, there was a witness.

Okay, sorry this post is spiraling out of control. There is actually a Part 2 to this before I can even hope to make the point I set out to make! :sorry:

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Re: Serious questions about Mind Control 14 Jun 2012 19:15 #8

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ah ok, I sort of see what you mean now.

all I can say is that you should trust your intuition.
I've lived in an 'impossible' situation for years, the two things I've learned are trust your intuition and keep quiet about it.
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Re: Serious questions about Mind Control 14 Jun 2012 20:12 #9

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Good thread! For someone who has been researching into this field extensively, I would just advise you follow your own intuition when coming across reading material and talking with those who claim to have been victims of trauma-based mind control and there are many springing up.

Its a very complicated and extensive subject. I personally believe the mainstream media's purpose is to condition the masses on many levels, especially to groom us to accept various belief systems based on religion, education, success, sexuality and other seemingly imperative 'human' issues (basically, being swayed away from our true purpose on a covert level). And I also believe there are using idols and well-known figures who may be going through trauma-based mind control, in order to program them to influence the masses.
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Re: Serious questions about Mind Control 15 Jun 2012 05:51 #10

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K-Bone wrote:
Can we even rely on our own mind/thoughts? I can hardly trust my own. I feel like I've been confused and at odds with myself/beliefs/reality for several years, particularly this last year.

I'm totally feelin' ya on that shizz K-Bone! It's what has given backbone to my interest/research into the subject of archons. Not in the way of "the Devil made me do it" and not being able to accept personal responsibility for myself, there's just been way too many instances where things went in an altogether different direction if you will and suffice it to say I was lead through the channels that I've been through all these years that have landed me where I am at present with this archon "theory".

I do also believe that both trauma based mind control and subliminal mass media mind control are in full effect and are being used even as we speak here about it on many, many people across the globe. The subliminal mass media mind control being, in my opinion, one that is far more common and widespread effecting nearly EVERY member of society! Anyone in earshot of a TV, radio, computer or movie theater is being affected whether they know it or admit to it or not!

These are very strange days here on our planet Earth....
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Re: Serious questions about Mind Control 15 Jun 2012 12:54 #11

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Re: Serious questions about Mind Control 15 Jun 2012 13:20 #12

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martg wrote:
ah ok, I sort of see what you mean now.

all I can say is that you should trust your intuition.
I've lived in an 'impossible' situation for years, the two things I've learned are trust your intuition and keep quiet about it.

Yeah, unfortunately, I feel like my intuition is unreliable and ever changing. Perhaps I am having an emotional response triggered by some prior programming and it's not really intuition. Does that make sense? I'm so "what if-y"! LOL! :emb:

I'm sorry that you lived in an impossible situation and I hope you have found a way out. Good advice! :zip: But I always did have a hard time keeping quiet!
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Re: Serious questions about Mind Control 15 Jun 2012 13:38 #13

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i think id say tv etc is brain washing through repetition rather than direct mind control. its all pretty subtle themes, but the amount of tv people watch, the inane shows and the glitzy ads.. i think it appeals to some basic instincts for superiority. wanting to get ahead of other people or be in a luxury situation. see this is how stars act or look at this secret gossip. these are people you cant touch or hang out with but the magic of tv lets you in on their secret life. and then since people watch it they want to talk about it with their friends like it is their friends. it uses sex appeal, and shows wealth <-> fame and therefore power. who doesnt enjoy sex or want to have power over their life? its vicarious and satiates (look at me with the thesaurus) people base needs, and makes them think oh emulate this person to be this person. and they are all fuckwads. so we have a group of assholes running around acting like another group of assholes. so i think its brainwashing, since its showing us things 24/7, rather than direct control of do this / do that.

but re:mind control.. did you ever see , as it was described, russian zombie gun?
www.forbes.com/sites/daviddisalvo/2012/0...-russian-zombie-gun/
Plans to introduce the super-weapons were announced quietly last week by Russian defence minister Anatoly Serdyukov, fulfilling a little-noticed election campaign pledge by president-elect Putin. Mr Serdyukov said: ‘The development of weaponry based on new physics principles – direct-energy weapons, geophysical weapons, wave-energy weapons, genetic weapons, psychotronic weapons, and so on – is part of the state arms procurement programme for 2011-2020.’

The more insidious design–just one among the list proposed by Seryukov–is a weapon that could theoretically render someone pliable or even drive them insane by directly attacking the brain. This is the weapon most appropriately described as a “zombie gun” for obvious reasons. If the weapon can short-circuit the executive function capacity of the brain, then it’s plausible that the target would become silly putty, or possibly revert to a primal state and eat someone else’s brain (too early to tell).

and then theres the whole haarp thing, and cell phone towers etc.. so much shit flying around in the air. put on your foil hats!
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Re: Serious questions about Mind Control 15 Jun 2012 13:42 #14

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Mountain wrote:
Good thread! For someone who has been researching into this field extensively, I would just advise you follow your own intuition when coming across reading material and talking with those who claim to have been victims of trauma-based mind control and there are many springing up.

Its a very complicated and extensive subject. I personally believe the mainstream media's purpose is to condition the masses on many levels, especially to groom us to accept various belief systems based on religion, education, success, sexuality and other seemingly imperative 'human' issues (basically, being swayed away from our true purpose on a covert level). And I also believe there are using idols and well-known figures who may be going through trauma-based mind control, in order to program them to influence the masses.

I totally agree with you. Though I have a hard time trusting my intuition on the subject, I feel like there has to be something to it. Mostly because of some synchronicities...surely they mean something! ...lol, I'm so "what if-y"! I drive myself crazy in circles! :roll:

I read some of your posts on Mind Control over at DIF and you really have done some homework! I look forward to anything you have to say on the matter. I hope you will also post some video links as I was often unable to watch(using the internet at work). :)
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Re: Serious questions about Mind Control 15 Jun 2012 13:50 #15

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i think id say tv etc is brain washing through repetition rather than direct mind control. its all pretty subtle themes, but the amount of tv people watch, the inane shows and the glitzy ads.. i think it appeals to some basic instincts for superiority. wanting to get ahead of other people or be in a luxury situation. see this is how stars act or look at this secret gossip. these are people you cant touch or hang out with but the magic of tv lets you in on their secret life. and then since people watch it they want to talk about it with their friends like it is their friends. it uses sex appeal, and shows wealth <-> fame and therefore power. who doesnt enjoy sex or want to have power over their life? its vicarious and satiates (look at me with the thesaurus) people base needs, and makes them think oh emulate this person to be this person. and they are all fuckwads. so we have a group of assholes running around acting like another group of assholes. so i think its brainwashing, since its showing us things 24/7, rather than direct control of do this / do that.

but re:mind control.. did you ever see , as it was described, russian zombie gun?
www.forbes.com/sites/daviddisalvo/2012/0...-russian-zombie-gun/
Plans to introduce the super-weapons were announced quietly last week by Russian defence minister Anatoly Serdyukov, fulfilling a little-noticed election campaign pledge by president-elect Putin. Mr Serdyukov said: ‘The development of weaponry based on new physics principles – direct-energy weapons, geophysical weapons, wave-energy weapons, genetic weapons, psychotronic weapons, and so on – is part of the state arms procurement programme for 2011-2020.’

The more insidious design–just one among the list proposed by Seryukov–is a weapon that could theoretically render someone pliable or even drive them insane by directly attacking the brain. This is the weapon most appropriately described as a “zombie gun” for obvious reasons. If the weapon can short-circuit the executive function capacity of the brain, then it’s plausible that the target would become silly putty, or possibly revert to a primal state and eat someone else’s brain (too early to tell).

and then theres the whole haarp thing, and cell phone towers etc.. so much shit flying around in the air. put on your foil hats!

That is seriously fucked up! Wow! Thanks for linking that! Yikes...kinda makes you wonder who they tested that shit on... :umm:

Yeah, there is definitely some serious social engineering going on as well as whatever they've been beaming through the television sets since their invention. I can only imagine what is embedded in digital 3D! :conf:
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Re: Serious questions about Mind Control 15 Jun 2012 13:56 #16

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Can we even rely on our own mind/thoughts? I can hardly trust my own. I feel like I've been confused and at odds with myself/beliefs/reality for several years, particularly this last year.

I'm totally feelin' ya on that shizz K-Bone! It's what has given backbone to my interest/research into the subject of archons. Not in the way of "the Devil made me do it" and not being able to accept personal responsibility for myself, there's just been way too many instances where things went in an altogether different direction if you will and suffice it to say I was lead through the channels that I've been through all these years that have landed me where I am at present with this archon "theory".

I do also believe that both trauma based mind control and subliminal mass media mind control are in full effect and are being used even as we speak here about it on many, many people across the globe. The subliminal mass media mind control being, in my opinion, one that is far more common and widespread effecting nearly EVERY member of society! Anyone in earshot of a TV, radio, computer or movie theater is being affected whether they know it or admit to it or not!

These are very strange days here on our planet Earth....

Yeah, the Archons, too! I meant to mention that as well- thanks!

It just adds another possible scenario to "how many ways can a human be mind fucked"! :aargh: Especially listening to Weidner talking about how they create a false reality...it's all so mind bending! :think:

I do believe mass media mind control is most common and I believe it goes all the way back to the advent of the T.V. The anchors were set long ago. It's a perfect way to construct egos.
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Re: Serious questions about Mind Control 15 Jun 2012 16:56 #17

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Yeah, unfortunately, I feel like my intuition is unreliable and ever changing. Perhaps I am having an emotional response triggered by some prior programming and it's not really intuition. Does that make sense? I'm so "what if-y"! LOL! :emb:

I'm sorry that you lived in an impossible situation and I hope you have found a way out. Good advice! :zip: But I always did have a hard time keeping quiet!
Yes what you say makes a lot of sense
who knows what triggers lie within our subconscious?
thanks btw, I'm ok, I have a way out :)

I think you may be going through some of the same thought processes I went through a year or so ago.
listening to this guy helped me a lot with understanding not only mind control but my own psychological process.

Mark Passio - Consciousness, Polarity & The Human Brain - WOEIH Part 1 of 4


Mark Passio - Occult Influence, Mind Control & Astrotheology - WOEIH Part 2 of 4


Mark Passio - Subversive Symbolism, The Hegelian Dialectic & The Globalist Agenda - WOEIH Part 3/4


Mark Passio - Sovereignty, Natural Law & Grassroots Solutions For REAL Change - WOEIH Part 4/4


I'd recommend listening to his podcasts too
What on Earth is Happening?

hope this helps k-bone :)
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Thanks for the videos, martg! :thumbup: Yay! Something I can actually watch on my not-so-smart phone! I'll definitely be checking those out this weekend and the podcasts, too!

I really appreciate it. It's nice to find people to talk to about this stuff! :)
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Okay...let me see if I can get Part 2 summarized... :think:

So, life went on with oddities and such...

My best friend with whom I could always speculate about weird shit started to worry me over 4 years ago. She had some serious dental work done and thought they put something in her tooth. Not totally out of the realm of possibilities but, y'know...whatever...I'll consider it. She was online quite a bit. She was researching some mind control topics and wanted to write a story about it. Sometimes she talked about making her husband take her on conspiracy drives; basically driving around to "suspicious" corporations, water treatment plants...they didn't do anything risky or illegal- driving & looking. The only conspiracy he believes in is "the Jew" conspiracy. I always warned her about saying too much around him since they have a turbulent marriage.

Anyway, she began to think she was being followed and that someone rigged up cameras in their house. Of course, I kept thinking back to my uncle but, at the same time, maybe she put her nose where it didn't belong.

Things mellowed out for several months; just the typical talk of aliens and shady government cover ups. Then, just as I was getting ready to really stand up to my fears and move into her aunt's creepy cabin in the deep dark woods...she begins to have recalled memories.

It started out a believable scenario. But every time I saw her, there were new memories, each one stranger than the last. The memories were from several years earlier when she committed herself to a tiny little mental home because she was having a nervous breakdown over splitting up with her fiance(she wanted meds so checked herself in). She was there less than a week and most of the recalled memories are from her last night there.

I wish I could go into more detail but I cannot. The stories I heard during this period of several months was so disturbing, gorey, sick....I can't even begin to describe it. And she would always be manic in her telling of the stories...it had everything....mind control, CIA, KKK, drug fueled orgies, graphic and grisly murder, music, robots, and miracles(performed by her). Even though she spoke of how she was "raped"(although it sounded like a "rape fantasy" the way it was described)and how she was drugged and violently murdered people, she sounded delighted by it all! It was so fucked up to listen to. She boasted about how sexy she was....how funny she was when she was killing(but she felt bad for "those boys")and she claimed she performed miracles and was part of a small, elite group of test subjects. She was "special". She said she was going to be sainted and go down in history like Jesus. Also, everything in movies, music videos, TV shows, the news....it was all about her and they were sending her messages. :cool:

The fucked up thing was that sometimes it really did seem that way. I couldn't believe what I was seeing in the videos she showed me. I'd see movie previews and want to scream to Hollywood, "You aren't helping! Why are you catering to her delusions?!?" Part of me thought she was mind controlled, part of me thought she had been implanted with "fake memories" or something...and of course I knew it was possible she was totally insane...and I was right behind her! :loco:

I wonder if there is any truth to what she claimed happened all those years ago. I can believe in mind control, sex slaves and all that...but "the one" complex of somehow being "chosen" and "special" doesn't sit well with me. Plus, I didn't know what all she had read on mind control prior to the memories. Did it "trigger" something real or did it lead her into a fantasy realm. She always said she wished someone would study her and she wanted fame until she got married and had kids. Now she believed she was part of some "study" and she was the "muse"(her words) for Hollywood and everyone else in the creative world. I guess it's better to be a BAMF-sleeper-agent-super-sex-spy than to be an ordinary victim of mass media mind control.

While she was delighting in her new found "specialness", I was in my private hell of nightmarish visions. I had gruesome nightmares and worried about her. Eventually, she told someone else, who told her whole family and they planned an intervention that failed. Since then, she hardly discusses any conspiracy related topics with me. I usually will want to talk about some weird info I stumbled on and she just listens and says nothing; may as well talk to my dog. We've had a couple of chats here and there but things are different and I don't know how her story has evolved at this point.

It sucks because we've been friends since we were 12. We are bonded in such a way that now, after it all, I sometimes wonder if it's an artificial bond. And she's really the only friend I spend much time with, the only one who knows me...
Well, it sucks that I had to throw it out there, lacking substance...a cliff notes version. There is so much to it. And, no, I'm not finished! I'm sorry! If anyone is still reading this...I will finish and get to the ultimate point eventually. :yerright:
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Re: Serious questions about Mind Control 15 Jun 2012 20:35 #20

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Okay...let me see if I can get Part 2 summarized... :think:

So, life went on with oddities and such...

My best friend with whom I could always speculate about weird shit started to worry me over 4 years ago. She had some serious dental work done and thought they put something in her tooth. Not totally out of the realm of possibilities but, y'know...whatever...I'll consider it. She was online quite a bit. She was researching some mind control topics and wanted to write a story about it. Sometimes she talked about making her husband take her on conspiracy drives; basically driving around to "suspicious" corporations, water treatment plants...they didn't do anything risky or illegal- driving & looking. The only conspiracy he believes in is "the Jew" conspiracy. I always warned her about saying too much around him since they have a turbulent marriage.

Anyway, she began to think she was being followed and that someone rigged up cameras in their house. Of course, I kept thinking back to my uncle but, at the same time, maybe she put her nose where it didn't belong.

Things mellowed out for several months; just the typical talk of aliens and shady government cover ups. Then, just as I was getting ready to really stand up to my fears and move into her aunt's creepy cabin in the deep dark woods...she begins to have recalled memories.

It started out a believable scenario. But every time I saw her, there were new memories, each one stranger than the last. The memories were from several years earlier when she committed herself to a tiny little mental home because she was having a nervous breakdown over splitting up with her fiance(she wanted meds so checked herself in). She was there less than a week and most of the recalled memories are from her last night there.

I wish I could go into more detail but I cannot. The stories I heard during this period of several months was so disturbing, gorey, sick....I can't even begin to describe it. And she would always be manic in her telling of the stories...it had everything....mind control, CIA, KKK, drug fueled orgies, graphic and grisly murder, music, robots, and miracles(performed by her). Even though she spoke of how she was "raped"(although it sounded like a "rape fantasy" the way it was described)and how she was drugged and violently murdered people, she sounded delighted by it all! It was so fucked up to listen to. She boasted about how sexy she was....how funny she was when she was killing(but she felt bad for "those boys")and she claimed she performed miracles and was part of a small, elite group of test subjects. She was "special". She said she was going to be sainted and go down in history like Jesus. Also, everything in movies, music videos, TV shows, the news....it was all about her and they were sending her messages. :cool:

The fucked up thing was that sometimes it really did seem that way. I couldn't believe what I was seeing in the videos she showed me. I'd see movie previews and want to scream to Hollywood, "You aren't helping! Why are you catering to her delusions?!?" Part of me thought she was mind controlled, part of me thought she had been implanted with "fake memories" or something...and of course I knew it was possible she was totally insane...and I was right behind her! :loco:

I wonder if there is any truth to what she claimed happened all those years ago. I can believe in mind control, sex slaves and all that...but "the one" complex of somehow being "chosen" and "special" doesn't sit well with me. Plus, I didn't know what all she had read on mind control prior to the memories. Did it "trigger" something real or did it lead her into a fantasy realm. She always said she wished someone would study her and she wanted fame until she got married and had kids. Now she believed she was part of some "study" and she was the "muse"(her words) for Hollywood and everyone else in the creative world. I guess it's better to be a BAMF-sleeper-agent-super-sex-spy than to be an ordinary victim of mass media mind control.

While she was delighting in her new found "specialness", I was in my private hell of nightmarish visions. I had gruesome nightmares and worried about her. Eventually, she told someone else, who told her whole family and they planned an intervention that failed. Since then, she hardly discusses any conspiracy related topics with me. I usually will want to talk about some weird info I stumbled on and she just listens and says nothing; may as well talk to my dog. We've had a couple of chats here and there but things are different and I don't know how her story has evolved at this point.

It sucks because we've been friends since we were 12. We are bonded in such a way that now, after it all, I sometimes wonder if it's an artificial bond. And she's really the only friend I spend much time with, the only one who knows me...
Well, it sucks that I had to throw it out there, lacking substance...a cliff notes version. There is so much to it. And, no, I'm not finished! I'm sorry! If anyone is still reading this...I will finish and get to the ultimate point eventually. :yerright:

I think your friend is telling the truth as far as she sees it, the things she descibes are too similar to other accounts I've heard from people like Cathy O'Brian, Sarah Stanga, Arizona Wilder and Svali
The problem with coming out of trauma based mind control prgrams is that the memories come back in a disjointed manner, it can be a very confusing and disturbing process
Often mind control victims who don't have guidance when these memories start coming back can make incorrect associations like with the movies, I think that's likely to be coincidental but because your friend has been through such a strange experience it's understandable that their brain would look for connections to try and make sense of what's happened.

The same is true of believing they are special, when you have been singled out by these groups it can make you wonder "what's so special about me?"
In my case I wondered that for years until I found out that really it was nothing to do with me, just useful for the agenda (slightly different situation but I think the same thought processes apply)

Your friend needs guidance from someone more knowledgable than me, The only people I know of who helps ex-mind control victims are Stewart Swerdlow and Fritz Springmeyer.

P.S. don't be too hard on your friend for her questionable emotions when describing these things, they were carried out by a different alter with a different personality.
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