wake_up_bomb wrote:

feather wrote: Yes, I agree with you.

]

just listen to this guy ,, mk ulktra setup to get gun restrictive laws passed ,
is he for real are his listeners pro gun and do they think that mk ultra did this ?
consider that for secound ,
believe in superhuman events and can be trusted with a gun not to go out and do something terrible while under the impression they might be saving themselves from a mk ultra type event ,

in the uk these people wouldnt get sold scissors

mushy wrote:
I have read evidence of military personnel, living on military bases, going without sleep and living on ampethemines. Would that be enough to cause psychiatic disorder? That is what I have gleaned from public records. Do you think it is possible that there are experiments, that are not on public record, that cause psychiatric disorder?

wake_up_bomb wrote:
thing is american culture is based on the gun

Mushy, in that video AJ didnt say that it was catergorically an MK Ultra case, he said that there are also other VERY FEASIBLE ways of carrying out a false flag attack. "Miind control" isnt necessarily required for a patsy to be set up. People can EASILY be framed without using "mind control". Btw I have no idea if this was a false flag or not, but AJ DOES make some interesting points in that video.

To be honest, I havent really followed the story in any depth, did the "shooter" die ?

wake_up_bomb wrote:
Also note there is no arms entitlement allowed for hunting or self-defence in the amendment, purely State's defence.
Something else which has become twisted for convenience over time by arms lobbyists.

p.s.
I erroneously cited the 4th amendment in my original post, (which I have now corrected), it is of course the 2nd amendment.
My apologies.

Steevo wrote: Nah, he's in custody.

noseymutegirl wrote:
psychiatric disorders vary , the kind required for a person to lose empathy and responsibility etc cant be induced even those born with such disorders arent guaranteed to go out and kill ,
so my answer would be an emphatic no you couldnt induce a state of mind that would create a total zombie killing machine
do i think experiments are taking place , i wouldnt be suprised to hear some crackpots trying to have a go but theres no point
they dont work couldnt work and would have limited usefulness if successful anyway .

imagine this shooter was mk ultra it would take years away from public veiw in a centre somewhere with millions of dollars spent on his training treatment whatever you call it ,
what for to kill some people in a theatre on the off chance that a gun reform would go through (no certainty even that it would work , he could get shot before he did it he could give himself up and blow the whistle on mk ultras base camp etc or the law just doesnt go through anyway }
so millions spent on achieving nothing .,, mk ultra is non existent bullshit .

We will probably never 'know' why this guy did what he did - sure as hell wont get the 'truth' from the papers nor from any trial - whatever the reasons I feel huge sympathy for those affected by his actions and am left wondering when the 'right to bear arms' became the ability to kit oneself out with more weapons and bullets then one would ever need to 'protect' oneself.

I am anti gun - would rather no one had em and that we lived in a word where no one felt the need to have one let alone use one - though I do realise we are far from living in such a world - I am reminded of the question that michael moore posed in bowling for columbine about where the 'right to bear arms' ends - guns, knives, bombs, tasers, nuclear weapons? what a fucked up word we live in...

Steevo wrote:
neither did i ,
aj has been very obvious in his hanling of this im sleeping now

double post

If there are people born without empathy, and such people can be sussed out, then I do think that you can create a killing machine, and I think certain segments of the military, along with the normal training, have programs to create these killing machines, why wouldn't they? Isn't that their game? I have no doubts that someone with sociopathic disorders can be "programmed" in the right circumstances and that it would not take years to turn them into someone that can be manipulated.

I saw an article in a vintage Life Magazine, where a man was put in a room by himself and deprived of sleep and it did not take more than a few days for him to become somewhat psychotic and disfunctioning. Step up the game and who knows what you can create with someone who is already wired differently.

noseymutegirl wrote:
And we have all met people like this (alot of us have anyway I would say). And once programmed (forget the fancy name "MK Ultra") you are just left with a "trained psychotic killer".

So was he wearing a ski mask or anything like that when the incident took place ? ie can anyone positely identify him as being the ACTUAL shooter ?

Yeah, steevo, I have met people who have no empathy, and strangely enough, I have noticed that what they lack in sensitivy towards others, is made up in being supersensitive themselves at any perceived slight. So I think that this lack of empathy is usually accompanied with a weakness that makes them susceptible to being manipulated and used.

double post again

Steevo wrote:
he was wearing a gas mask and a hat and no one was able to see his face or hair.

noseymutegirl wrote:
I have noticed the very same charactaristics, and what you have said about being easily manipulated in this way DOES seem feasible, and I'm sure that this theory has been fully put to the test by those "psychiatrist" people

noseymutegirl wrote:
Hmmmmm.....