Its very good to stand up to nazi's but if its coming from a far left stance then we are still trapped within the left/right paradigm. The far right wing and the far left wing are as bad as each other and more people need to be against both and have the human wing instead

foonclown wrote:
Do you have any evidence or even reason to believe that the people stopping the nazis are far left?
dawnbreak wrote:
You speak for "the forum" now?

Anway...in the latest news

Yes indeed THAT Amazon.

No, it still isn't April

Hess? Fkn kidding, right?


www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/...germany-8495843.html

So now we know where tinyint has been working!

dawnbreak wrote:
You did the same thing and joined in the other long dif thread dawn.
Have the EDL got a scottish branch? lol :p

.......... wrote:
My personal opinion as to why it is such a big deal on the dif is that ickes assertions about 'rothschild zionists' 'reptillians' 'the holocaust being a hoax (or not depending it seems on what side of the bed he has gotten out of that morning)' etc give a platform and to some extent in the eyes of those who follow ickes messages and opinions validity for those who already have anti Semitic leanings.

In the documentary david icke the lizards and the jews - the reason stated for not thinking icke was himself anti semitic is that he literally means reptillians and that it is not a metaphor. However if one peruses certain forums *stormfront* as as example they are of the belief that reptillian is a metaphor for 'jew' and are therefore attracted to icke as they feel a certain affinity with him due to the belief they share the same world view.

The corner stone of the whole rothschild zionists idea is that jewish elites and none jewish elites are all working for jewish interests to the detriment of everyone else painting a picture of some sort of jewish conspiracy to rule the world with the aid of non jewish co conspirators. Which in turn paints an incredibly inaccurate picture of the world and by naming it a 'jewish' conspiracy and focusing on the religion of some of the knobends with power and money rather then admitting that those knobheads follow a plethora of religions a focus and scapegoating is brought about towards all members of the jewish faith. Which again fuels the rabid anti semitism and paranoid fantasies of those already inclined towards bigotry or a convienent scapegoat for those searching for someone to blame.

In the face of all the 'evidence' presented (and almost entirely onesided now that any dissenters are banned) it is easy to get sucked into some very skewed thinking if one spends too much time at the dif.

dawnbreak wrote:
Ah c'mon Dawn. It's no different to people standing outside the zoo enclosure laughing at the chimps tea party.

Nobody is bringing any arguments over.

dogsmilk wrote:
But that says more about the people laughing, than the chimps. I'm thinking literally in terms of the chimps at the zoo as a reality, not as an analogy... it's cruel and idiotic to laugh at creatures taken from their natural environment, and forced to live in cages, to be dressed in stupid clothes and laughed at by the supposed top species on the Earth.

irrepressible wrote:
But that says more about Nazis than immigrants. I'm thinking literally in terms of the immigrants in foreign countries as a reality, not as an analogy...it's cruel and idiotic to blame immigrants, forced from their natural environment and forced to live in modern slavery, abused for wearing different clothes and scapegoated by the supposed 'Master race'.

I'm not interested in all that oi. I was strictly thinking about zoo's and chimps, and how humans are supposed to be evolved, but we cage animals and laugh at them. Off topic really, I know.

Fuck the nazis, anarchists, left wingers, right wingers, tories, labour, blah blah, all part of the control system. Just boxes provided by tptb, and plenty of people all too willing to climb into them, and view the world through the eye holes.

irrepressible wrote:
Anarchists can't be part of a control system irre, thats called an oxymoron.

andyh wrote:

Well my point really is, why be an 'ist', part of an 'ism'? Why can't we just be people? Instead of part of this, or part of that, he's part of that, and I'm part of this, so we're against each other, etc. It's a human thing, we still have a long way to go as a species.

irrepressible wrote:
Agreed.

And that will be when we have no need for power structures to control each other with.

And then the word 'anarchism' will be redundant anyway.

We're all born humans, well most of us. We become 'ism's' etc. Tptb provides those clothes, we select the ones that we're most comfortable wearing, the ones that seem to fit. I would suggest that most who decide on the nazi clothes are arseholes.

irrepressible wrote:
Whoah there, it was just supposed to be an analogy. It wasn't supposed to be approving of chimps tea parties. I'm an animals rights guy - I don't even eat animals (which is on balance, I'd say, far worse than laughing at them).

I take your point about 'eye holes', but on the other hand without some form of structured belief, how is anything ever going to be different? Back in the day, people for good or ill - be they commies, nazis, anarchists or whoever - made shit happen. They did this because they were able to organise around some kind of belief. Of course the danger is this becomes dogma, and that's the lesson that needs to be learned. But without some form of ideology, people ain't going to get anywhere. That's the problem right now - loads of pissed off people who don't believe in anything and don't know what to do about anything.

Or else how is the 'control system' going to come down?

irrepressible wrote:
Exactly. So why then is it wrong then, for the people who marched against these aresholes, to do so?

thoreau wrote: People always need a scapegoat. It can never be their fault.
They're lucky the Jews sit back and take it. I sure as hell wouldn't.
If they didn't, i can only imagine all the lawsuits, esp. to the DiF and SF.

dogsmilk wrote:
Belting post, made me think, not just nod!

psketti wrote:
Would you follow me around every thread I post in to bait me?

irrepressible wrote:
Not sure where you're going with this lad.... but no I wouldn't.