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Into The Fire 23 Apr 2013 07:59 #1

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Into the Fire is being crowd-released today: All over the internet people are embedding Into the Fire on their website or blog. With everyone who participates the audience and distribution network will grow. Are you participating? intothefire.org

A hard hitting documentary which shows the plight of refugees and migrants in recession hit Athens, Into The Fire is a film with a difference.

Shot and edited with sensitivity and compassion, it doesn't pull its punches and makes for harrowing viewing in parts. It is the product of crowd funding, dedication, self-sacrifice and a burning sense of justice.

On 21 April, Into the Fire is simultaneously released on websites, blogs and other platforms around the internet. The film will be available in various languages, including Albanian, Czech, Danish, Dutch, French, German, Greek, Italian and Spanish. There are a number of public screenings planned in several countries in Europe and Northern America. To participate in the release or organise a screening see intothefire.org/publish

This strategy is being used to maximise the audience, in the hope that the audience will become active participants, commentators and amplifiers when it comes to opposing the conditions visited on the victims in the story.

The premiere of Into the Fire on 29th April, 6:30pm will be hosted by the School of Oriental and African Studies. The filmmakers will be joined for discussion by Habib Rahman of the Join Council for the Welfare of Immigrants.

In times of severe austerity things look bleak for Greek people, but they're far worse for those who have recently arrived. Without housing, legal papers or support, migrants in Greece are faced with increasing and often violent racism at the hands of the growing Nazi party Golden Dawn and the police in Athens. Many are trapped by EU laws and legislation of other EU countries meaning they'd be returned to Greece if they managed to get to another member state, they are desperate to leave the country.

This film gives incredible insights to the reality faced by people who simply want to lead peaceful, normal lives.
Having been to Athens to shoot footage about austerity in April last year, Reel News video activists started talking and working with a young Somalian refugee, they made many contacts in the migrant world and those contacts gave them access to a huge number of untold and shocking stories.

Funded by small donations from friends and organisations, the film makers are once more turning to their supporters and allies in the UK to distribute the film online and through screenings to grassroots groups across the country. No one has been paid to work on this film.


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Into The Fire 25 Apr 2013 15:17 #2

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Surely referring to these unfortunates as 'victims' of austerity would infer that they were previously in a position of abundance, which cant possibly true given their desperate, and understandable desire to migrate. If these migrants are being led to believe that Europe can offer them any prosperity whatsoever, then one has to question the the dishonest motivations of such a lie, and the agenda of the people selling the lie. I find it quite confusing however, how somebody coming from the conflict ravaged territories of Somalia would consider Athens austere. Homelessness, poverty and a bleak and uncertain future are part and parcel of the European experience. I'd agree that these people are certainly no 'better off' financially in Europe (much the same as native Europeans), but surely, NOT being shot at, raped or possibly butchered by savage machete wielding tribal militants is a positive, no?
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"...NOT being shot at, raped or possibly butchered by savage machete wielding tribal militants is a positive, no? "

Yes.

Unfortunately this isn't the case in Athens. Athens has it's own "militant tribe" to deal with them.
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Into The Fire 25 Apr 2013 15:40 #4

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panzerfaust wrote:
Surely referring to these unfortunates as 'victims' of austerity would infer that they were previously in a position of abundance,

They were a shitload better off before the austerity measures aye.
You'd know that if you paid attention to the course of events over the past few years.
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oioioi wrote:
"...NOT being shot at, raped or possibly butchered by savage machete wielding tribal militants is a positive, no? "

Yes.

Unfortunately this isn't the case in Athens. Athens has it's own "militant tribe" to deal with them.

Yes. Golden Dawn; i'm well aware of their violent activities and political scapegoating.
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Into The Fire 25 Apr 2013 18:31 #6

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andyh wrote:
They were a shitload better off before the austerity measures aye.,

Better off? In what way exactly? And how is their 'loss' as a result of austerity any different than anybody elses.
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You'd know that if you paid attention to the course of events over the past few years.

Thats quite a provocative assertion Andy, would you be so kind as to reveal your basis for this remark?
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panzerfaust wrote:
oioioi wrote:
"...NOT being shot at, raped or possibly butchered by savage machete wielding tribal militants is a positive, no? "

Yes.

Unfortunately this isn't the case in Athens. Athens has it's own "militant tribe" to deal with them.

Yes. Golden Dawn; i'm well aware of their violent activities and political scapegoating.

Ah, it's just by expressing the opinion that by reaching Europe they are somehow safe from "militant tribalism" came across as though you were uninformed/ignoring facts.

My apologies.

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Into The Fire 25 Apr 2013 20:54 #8

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oioioi wrote:
Ah, it's just by expressing the opinion that by reaching Europe they are somehow safe from "militant tribalism" came across as though you were uninformed/ignoring facts.

My apologies.

:)

Thanks, but there's no apology required. :)
Perhaps I could of elaborated a little further; although golden dawn are indeed a violent and repugnant bunch, I'm reluctant to draw a comparison between Greece's various social cataclysms and the sheer volatility of the ongoing Somalian civil war. By this, I do not mean that the barbaric behaviour of tribal racists like golden dawn is insignificant in any way, quite the contrary in fact; GD are a serious problem that needs to be dealt with, but in comparison to the level of militarisation in Somalia, the problem of GD is certainly manageable. A 'movement' I am a member of is actively recruiting patrol groups (Greek or internationals), to invigilate on the streets of Athens, and intervene in and prevent racist attacks by GD. There are a few of us out there now, but nowhere near enough.
The point I was making is that there seems to be little sense in separating the immigrants and identifying them as a 'special' victim group within a larger group of people who are also suffering under the weight of the same policies. It's disproportionate to seperate in this context. Unity is the only answer to the GD question. Unity is the only answer to the tribalist question. Any form of seperation undermines unity.
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panzerfaust wrote:
oioioi wrote:
Ah, it's just by expressing the opinion that by reaching Europe they are somehow safe from "militant tribalism" came across as though you were uninformed/ignoring facts.

My apologies.

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Thanks, but there's no apology required. :)
Perhaps I could of elaborated a little further; although golden dawn are indeed a violent and repugnant bunch, I'm reluctant to draw a comparison between Greece's various social cataclysms and the sheer volatility of the ongoing Somalian civil war. By this, I do not mean that the barbaric behaviour of tribal racists like golden dawn is insignificant in any way, quite the contrary in fact; GD are a serious problem that needs to be dealt with, but in comparison to the level of militarisation in Somalia, the problem of GD is certainly manageable. A 'movement' I am a member of is actively recruiting patrol groups (Greek or internationals), to invigilate on the streets of Athens, and intervene in and prevent racist attacks by GD. There are a few of us out there now, but nowhere near enough.
The point I was making is that there seems to be little sense in separating the immigrants and identifying them as a 'special' victim group within a larger group of people who are also suffering under the weight of the same policies. It's disproportionate to seperate in this context. Unity is the only answer to the GD question. Unity is the only answer to the tribalist question. Any form of seperation undermines unity.

That's the best post I've read in a long time. Thank you.
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Into The Fire 25 Apr 2013 21:05 #10

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Thanks Gilly, I appreciate you reading and acknowledging my post :)
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Have I understood correctly panzer, you are in Athens?
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Not at present oi, no. Although i'm in regular contact with the handful of members we have active in Greece at this time.

Incedentally, I should have added that it's perfectly clear that this film has been made with entirely honorable intentions, but that said, I have to stand by my opinion that to advocate for one group over another undermines unity.
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Do 'we' have a name?
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Not in the conventional sense no, without wishing to seem evasive. Collectively, we are a broadly international group of like minded idealists who oppose and reject zionism in its varying forms. The core of our philosophy is based on ethics, spirituality and honourable conduct. Politically we are leftists and we advocate strongly for secession.
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