chandrakavi wrote:
Peace is not a sunny spell.
Freedoms conflict.
Personal happiness without the happiness of others is no happiness at all.
Fulfilment is not found in the self.
"Nature's leaders" die from mosquito bites and bacteria just the same.
Morals, ethics and values have no place? Then why use "should" three times in these consecutive sentences?

"kinds should be free to fulfill themselves.
We should reject everything that limits our freedom.
We should find conflict exciting."

What is this "should" you appeal to?

soundcloud.com/madiha-1/students-questio...-question-the-nsa-at

NSA STUDENTS LOGIC

Listen to the audio.

mikey mikey wrote:
It's all I could find by Nietzsche on Nationalism, I' m sure there are better ones.
I do remember Nietzsche having written:
" Germans are the people who think less and less.
Therefore I wish I had written my Zarathustra in French."

By posting quotes of Machiavelli, George Orwell, Nietzsche and others,
Is to show that Ed Snowden is not a traitor to his country for telling the truth,
The same as Julián Assange by waking people up with Wikileaks.
And Many other leakers who have risked their lives.

The US Government has made people who criticize their own Government
think that they Don't love their own country, and this is not so.
According to that criteria people should support all wars, invasions,
including NSA spying, then by supporting that corruption
you would be a great "model citizen..".

Venezuelan Asylum Achieved, Snowden reveals UFO Documents
By Kilgoar, on July 5th, 2013
Mantle Convection 300x157 Venezuelan Asylum Achieved, Snowden reveals UFO Documents


According to bombshell documents leaked by Snowden, the government has long known UFOs to be a species more advanced than mankind.

CARACAS, Venezuela – Edward Snowden, the leaker of NSA surveillance documents, was granted asylum in Venezuela on Friday. With safe harbors in sight, Snowden was willing to share shocking and world-shattering exclusive secret government documents with The Internet Chronicle.

Snowden’s testimony was as follows:
“The highest levels of government don’t know what to do about UFOs, and the official story that they are all merely weather balloons or natural phenomena has been clearly dismissed. If anything, these documents speak about UFOs as if they are surely guided by an intelligence beyond our own. As it turns out, the most credible and inexplicable sightings are of vehicles that have been spotted leaving the sea floor at hydrothermal vents and directly entering solar orbit . . .

“Because ballistic missile tracking systems and deep-sea sonar are kept as state secrets, scientists don’t have access to data about these objects. However, most of the contractors at DARPA are sure that there is a species more intelligent than homo sapiens living in the mantle of the Earth. It makes sense, if you think about it, because that is the only place where conditions have been more or less stable for billions of years. Extremophiles may live at different temperatures than us, but they have been able to thrive and develop intelligence at a seemingly accelerated rate. That’s not true, because they’ve simply evolved at the same rate, but without many of the vicissitudes which set back surface life . . .

“The president receives daily briefings about their activities. Analysts believe their technology to be so far advanced that we stand little chance of survival in any potential war. The general sentiment is that we are but ants from their perspective, so there is little chance they would empathize or attempt to communicate with us, and the current contingency plan is to detonate nuclear weapons in deep caverns to ‘sting’ the foe we have no hope of destroying in hopes it would discourage further attacks.”

Critics may allege that what the 30-year-old former NSA and CIA contractor can state with authority about our ultraterrestrial neighbors is already well-known. But the Ground-Penetrating Radar, or GPR, scans, which The Internet Chronicle has shared and confirmed with sources within intelligence community, will only serve to underscore popular bitterness over strategically timed earthquakes and tsunamis.

Just as PRISM shined a new light on goings-on in NSA’s ECHELON computer systems, revealed in the 1990s, the vast complexes of underground cities – laser-etched from pure diamond – apparent in the GPR scans will transform public debate about the balance between liberty and security.
Spread it around:



NOTE: the internet chronicle is known to be a serious iinformation paper,
but I don't know if this could be a hoax

That is good news.

The rest smells a tad.

Be fucking cool if true.

therebel.org/index.php?option=com_conten...im-stone&Itemid=1314

SNOWDEN MAY BE DEAD OR CAPTURED

Snowden has not yet accepted asylum in Venezuela


JULY 10, 2013

Former US spy agency contractor Edward Snowden has not yet formally accepted asylum in Venezuela, the anti-secrecy group WikiLeaks said yesterday after a Russian lawmaker posted a statement to that effect on Twitter and then deleted it.

WikiLeaks, on its own Twitter feed, said that states involved in deciding an asylum destination for Snowden, who fled The United States last month, "will make the announcement if and when the appropriate time comes."

On its Twitter feed, Wikileaks later said: "Tomorrow the first phase of Edward Snowden's 'Flight of Liberty' campaign will be launched. Follow for further details."



The group did not immediately provide any further information.

Snowden, who is wanted in The United States on espionage charges after revealing details of secret surveillance programmes, is believed to be holed up in the transit area at a Moscow airport where he arrived on June 23 from Hong Kong.

Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro said on Friday that he had decided to offer the 30-year-old American asylum, but his government confirmed it had heard nothing back so far.

"He has to be on Venezuelan territory... The reality is that he is trapped in the airport's transit zone," Foreign Minister Elias Jaua told reporters in Caracas yesterday.

Nicaragua and Bolivia also have said they would take in Snowden, who has appealed to about 20 countries for asylum.

Alexei Pushkov, the pro-Kremlin chairman of the international affairs committee in Russia's lower house of parliament, tweeted that Snowden had accepted Venezuela's asylum offer, but the tweet swiftly disappeared from his Twitter feed.

Pushkov later tweeted that he had seen the news on state-run Russian television channel Rossiya-24, but a representative of Rossiya-24 said it had been referring to Pushkov's initial tweet.

"Edward #Snowden has not yet formally accepted asylum in Venezuela," Wikileaks, whose British legal researcher Sarah Harrison is assisting Snowden and travelled to Moscow with him, later said on Twitter.

Russian President Vladimir Putin has said Snowden should choose a final destination and go there as soon as possible, but it is unclear how he would get to any of the Latin American countries that have offered him asylum.

Bolivia has accused Spain, France, Portugal and Italy of closing their skies to President Evo Morales' plane last week after being told it was carrying Snowden from Moscow to Bolivia.

There are no direct commercial flights from Moscow to Venezuela, Nicaragua or Bolivia, and US authorities have urged nations around the world not to give Snowden refuge.

"Mr Snowden ought to be returned to The United States where he is wanted on felony charges," White House spokesman Jay Carney said yesterday. "He should not be permitted to engage in further international travel beyond the travel necessary to return to The United States."

"And we've communicated that position with our Russian counterparts and with every country, broadly speaking, that has been discussed as a possible either transition point or destination point for Mr Snowden," Carney told reporters at a daily briefing. - Reuters, July 10, 2013.

Looks like everyone is included in the NSA spying PACKAGE


www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/09/us-us...dUSBRE9680Z320130709

Some choice quotes in response to this story on RT.




In the first ten pages only

mikey mikey wrote:
That is a totally Xenophobic opinion.

The Government of a Country, and what it's people think of their government
Are two different things.
So that "the Government of the people for the people BY the people Shall,not perish from the Earth."

chandrakavi wrote:
Not for these cunts that I quoted.
chandrakavi wrote:
Long since perished, mate.

www.dailyrepublic.com/opinion/ourview/ed...rits-privacy-debate/


Edward Snowden case merits privacy debate

mikey mikey wrote:
Unfortunately seems to have perished Mickey.

www.nostate.com/4358/press-release-world...t-to-edward-snowden/

EDWARD SNOWDEN GIVEN WORLD PASSPORT THAT ALLOWS HIM TO TRAVEL TO ANY COUNTRY
IN THE WORLD INCLUDING HIS OWN.

03/07/2013 -
"THE twin revelations that telecom carriers have been secretly giving the National Security ..

www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/jul/12/snow...ts-asylum-in-russia/

SNOWDEN SAYS HE WANTS ASYLUM IN RUSSIA

Jimmy Carter’s National Security Adviser – a key American foreign policy architect (Zbigniew Brzezinski) – wrote in 1970:

The [future] era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen and maintain up-to-date complete files containing even the most personal information about the citizen. These files will be subject to instantaneous retrieval by the authorities.

In 1975, the head of the Senate committee investigating illegal spying and harassment by the U.S. government – Senator Frank Church – said about the NSA:

I know the capacity that is there to make tyranny total in America, and we must see to it that this agency and all agencies that possess this technology operate within the law and under proper supervision, so that we never cross over that abyss. That is the abyss from which there is no return.

The NSA has operated outside the law and without supervision by either Congress or the courts. And seethis and this.

Indeed, in 1991, a House intelligence committee report found “very limited internal oversight of the Agency [NSA] programs,” as well as no supervision of the agency by either the Defense Department Inspector General’s Office or the congressional watchdog agency, the General Accountability Office (GAO).

The same year, a report prepared by the Defense Department’s inspector general confirmed:

NSA did not have sufficient oversight mechanisms to ensure the Agency efficiently accomplished its mission.

Senator Church also warned in 1975:

[NSA's] capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything: telephone conversations, telegrams, it doesn’t matter. There would be no place to hide. [If a dictator ever took over, the N.S.A.] could enable it to impose total tyranny, and there would be no way to fight back.

The NSA has, of course, turned its capability around on the American people.

Top NSA whistleblower William Binney – the former head of the National Security Agency’s global digital data gathering program – held his thumb and forefinger close together over a year ago, and said:

We are, like, that far from a turnkey totalitarian state

Another high-level NSA whistleblower – Thomas Drake – has also warned that mass surveillance is leading to tyranny.

And another NSA whistleblower – Russ Tice – agrees.

No wonder whistleblower Edward Snowden says:

[If people don't oppose the surveillance state now] it will be turnkey tyranny.

You might also want to listen to what a government official who actually worked for a tyrannical government thinks about the American spying program. A lieutenant colonel in Stasi East Germany told McClatchy:

You know, for us, this would have been a dream come true. So much information, on so many people.

The dark side to gathering such a broad, seemingly untargeted, amount of information is obvious.

It is the height of naivete to think that once collected this information won’t be used. This is the nature of secret government organizations.

Postscript: Mass surveillance doesn’t even help keep us safe.