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This is just sheer insanity 04 Nov 2013 02:44 #1

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-24795818
A London council leader has defended issuing court summonses to thousands of benefit claimants over non-payment of council tax.

Brent Council has issued almost 3,500 summons to residents on benefits who have not paid any council tax.

Since April, when council tax benefit was scrapped, Brent Council has asked residents, who were previously exempt from paying, for some of the money.

The council said residents would be offered help.

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Muhammed Butt, Labour leader of Brent Council, said court summonses were the only way to get people to engage with them.

"It's a legal requirement for me to make sure that I collect the council tax and I'm doing this in the fairest manner that I can and making sure that when they go to court I have my staff there to help them," Mr Butt told the BBC.

Conservative MP for Chipping Barnet, Theresa Villiers, said the support for council tax benefit was still "very considerable".

She told the BBC: "The reality is that we've had to take many tough decisions as this government including on some types of welfare payments.

"If we weren't prepared to take these decisions, the deficit crisis would mean higher interest rates."

Six London councils, including Hammersmith and Kensington and Chelsea, are not collecting council tax from benefit claimants because of administration costs.

Brent Council said court action was a last resort.

Southwark Council has summoned nearly 4,500 people for failing to pay their council tax. The council said it was unable to write off the debts as it would then have to take money out of "another squeezed" council service.

But debt charity Zaccheaus 2000 Trust, has urged the council to absorb the debt.
You're going to have your staff there to 'help them'? What are they going to do, have a whip round?

This is the situation. You have a bill. You have no money. Ergo, you don't pay the bill. There is no solution to that problem other than (a) waiving the bill, or (b) giving the person some money. Fucking send a million members of staff down there, what difference is it going to make?
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This is just sheer insanity 04 Nov 2013 05:33 #2

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Absolute bollocks...I know this from personal experience very recently.

I'm actually working at the moment too, so can only imagine how difficult it must be for those that haven't been able to find work.

I know of many in similar situations aswell, whereby they have managed to scrape by for some years, but all of a sudden are receiving summonses and threats of bailiffs.

I myself have received similar recently, just because I owe my landlord (a social housing provider) as little as £200.00 in rent arrears. Don't get me wrong, I know I have to pay it. I don't expect anyone else to pay it for me and neither do the thousands of others who are going through this.

What is most definitely happening now however, is that ALL such social housing providers and local authorities are being lent on, imo, to really ram it up their tenants/residents. In the past, my arrears for example would have been paid off bit by bit each month. This apparently, is no longer a suitable arrangement for my landlord. These people ARE DOING THIS ON PURPOSE.

Somebody, somewhere is encouraging them to behave like this. I really don't think we need look too far to figure out just who this is either.

I agree, it is sheer madness. Quite by design however, imo.
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This is just sheer insanity 04 Nov 2013 05:55 #3

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Does anyone know how much it actually costs to issue a summons?

Quite interesting...

www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/show...bility-Order-Summons
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Can anybody think of something we can do about this? This persecution of the poor - a group of people that's expanding all the time - needs to stop before there are droves more put out to literally starve in the streets. This situation is nothing less than horrifying.

We know a government that would rather pay more to intimidate & condemn folk than it would cost to assist them is our direct enemy.

Where's the revolution Brand spoke of? It's time it started.
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This is just sheer insanity 04 Nov 2013 08:29 #5

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Any talk of helping the poor gets branded with "Socialism" or "Marxism" or "Communism" and the person speaking get undermined whether they're poor (jealousy) or rich (hypocrisy).
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Fucking ismists! :roll:
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This is just sheer insanity 04 Nov 2013 08:42 #7

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mikey mikey wrote:
Any talk of helping the poor gets branded

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This is just sheer insanity 04 Nov 2013 08:45 #8

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Much of this Conspiracy Theory McCarthyism can be attributed to a host of pundits claiming to "see past the left-right paradigm" while at the same time everything that addresses counteracting the ever widening poverty gap gets lambasted as the first step towards North Korea on sites like Infowars, Red Ice Radio, etcetera
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This is just sheer insanity 04 Nov 2013 08:46 #9

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Poverty doesn't need dealing with.
Unrestrained fucking greed needs dealing with.
Sort that and poverty disappears.
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