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The country is fucked 22 Nov 2013 16:40 #1

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The country is fucked 22 Nov 2013 16:45 #2

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For what reason would parents not want their kids to go on the trip?

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The country is fucked 22 Nov 2013 16:46 #3

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For what reason would parents not want their kids to go on the trip?

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The same reason one of mine did not want to go to france and one who did not want to visit a church...are you just fucking this stupid all the time :coffee:
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The country is fucked 22 Nov 2013 16:55 #4

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entrangermercenary1 wrote:
oioioi wrote:
For what reason would parents not want their kids to go on the trip?

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The same reason one of mine did not want to go to france and one who did not want to visit a church...are you just fucking this stupid all the time :coffee:

That being...?
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The country is fucked 22 Nov 2013 16:56 #5

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The way that schools bully parents and children is despicable, I have to agree. I'm sure, though, that we wouldn't be hearing about this from the Mail if kids had been forced to attend a cathedral, for example.
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Re:The country is fucked 22 Nov 2013 17:09 #6

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wake_up_bomb wrote:
The way that schools bully parents and children is despicable, I have to agree. I'm sure, though, that we wouldn't be hearing about this from the Mail if kids had been forced to attend a cathedral, for example.

Oh hell aye...
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The country is fucked 22 Nov 2013 17:14 #7

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wake_up_bomb wrote:
The way that schools bully parents and children is despicable, I have to agree. I'm sure, though, that we wouldn't be hearing about this from the Mail if kids had been forced to attend a cathedral, for example.


Agreed..

It should be up to the kids and parents not the fucking teachers... not ever should it be up to the teachers.
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Re:The country is fucked 22 Nov 2013 17:21 #8

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Or common purpose social f@&king workers
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The country is fucked 22 Nov 2013 17:22 #9

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Aye... those cunts too :psketti:
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The country is fucked 22 Nov 2013 17:37 #10

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Agreed, parents & their kids should get first say but I'll put it out there to all as ent ran off, for what reason would parents not want their kids to go on the trip?

In case they catch Muslim?

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The country is fucked 22 Nov 2013 17:50 #11

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Agreed, parents & their kids should get first say but I'll put it out there to all as ent ran off, for what reason would parents not want their kids to go on the trip?

In case they catch Muslim?

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Probably - given that they won't have a brain between them.

But that isn't the issue either way as the choice should be their's regardless.
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The country is fucked 22 Nov 2013 17:55 #12

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psketti wrote:

But that isn't the issue either way as the choice should be their's regardless.

Again I agree but I'd have to ask why they made the choice they did. I'd probably get the same response I'm getting from ent. ;)
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The country is fucked 22 Nov 2013 18:01 #13

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The country is fucked 22 Nov 2013 18:03 #14

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oioioi wrote:
Again I agree but I'd have to ask why they made the choice they did. I'd probably get the same response I'm getting from ent. ;)
There may very well be some prejudice at the heart of it, oi, but it has to be ultimately left to parents to bring up their children, even if they do a shit job of it. I'd rather have that than schools acting like they own the children, and enforcing the national curriculum like it's 'Mein Kampf'.
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The country is fucked 22 Nov 2013 18:32 #15

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It is not their 'statutory duty' to interfere in everything and dictate what's what.

I'm pleasantly surprised that the parents kicked off about it. I would have too, for several reasons.

1). It's my personal belief that people should be allowed to explore religions when they're old enough to have an understanding, and not before.

2). No religious representatives that I've ever encountered present their beliefs as anything other than fact. So youngsters being forced to 'explore' a variety of religions, are being bombarded with a lot of completely contradicting (so called) 'facts'. And there's a whole lot of fear & implied requirement for guilt thrown into the mix with many religions who preach that it's sinful to not believe/follow whatever version's being spotlighted, with the threat of eternal torment for them.

3). Schools should be focusing on literacy, numeracy, science etc, etc, etc, and some imparting of moral decency. They don't seem to have mastered that yet in a great many cases. There's no necessity to include any religious indoctrination at all.

4). As religion is about personal choice, it's none of the school's business.

5). It's an absolute bloody cheek for them to use any form of threats - particularly the labeling of a 4 to 6 year old as racist. It shows their pig ignorance anyway, because religion is a thing that in itself is distinct from race.

6). Where do they get off stating only a GP's note will prove a credible reason for absence! Cheeky bastards!

I could go on & on. But I've bored myself now. :D
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The country is fucked 22 Nov 2013 18:48 #16

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Gilly wrote:
3). Schools should be focusing on literacy, numeracy, science etc, etc, etc, and some imparting of moral decency. They don't seem to have mastered that yet in a great many cases. There's no necessity to include any religious indoctrination at all.
I totally agree with everything you've said, but IMHO this is the most important. Schools should exist to teach children useful knowledge that is going to prepare them for thriving in the adult world. There is even an argument that this shouldn't be academically-driven for kids that aren't that way inclined, but at the very least stick to teaching them words and numbers. It's not the place of schools to give children values, and I particularly resent the prominence of religion in schools because you're presenting something as fact which certainly isn't fact, before the people who you're presenting it to are old enough to make up their own minds (in many cases, I'd personally decided against it by the time I was 7 years-old).

Shall I assume for the sake of argument that no-one puts forward the counter-argument against religion as being a 'culture', and that no-one promotes the 'culture' of atheists or agnostics to the children?
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The country is fucked 22 Nov 2013 19:35 #17

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When I went to school we did RE and we studied Buddhism, Islam, Judaism, Sikhism, Christianity and Hinduism.

We went on trips to visit a Buddhist temple, a Catholic church, an Anglican church, a synagogue, a mosque, a Sikh temple and a Hindu temple. Plus we had a speaker giving lectures on Atheism and Agnosticism.

It was brilliant.

OTOH, there were plenty of kids that were excused on religious or other grounds. They were fed up with that from what I can remember.

I would never punish anybody for not wanting to go. I would also encourage everybody to go to these places at least once and meet folks that have a different perspective on life. Not as a duty to society, but as a learning experience for oneself.

I wouldn't recommend reading the Daily Mail, however.
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The country is fucked 22 Nov 2013 19:45 #18

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The letter doesn't mention Islam.

it says "Learn about different cultures" and "The opportunity to explore other religions"

The work shop must have included all religions otherwise it isn't different cultures and the letter is misleading.

Also when the letter says "other religions" other than what?

Do they mean christianty,if so does that mean Littleton Green Community School is a Christian school?

Not actually sure why the religious education teacher at Littleton Green Community School couldn't teach them?

The threat about a note being attached to the child's record is very strange indeed.

Was that an idea from the head of the school or the religious education teacher,whoever is responsible sounds like an authoritarian nut job and incapable of doing their job properly.

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The country is fucked 22 Nov 2013 19:52 #19

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"Authoritarian nutjob" is right.

I wouldn't feel any different about being forced to visit Buckingham palace as a child. I am guessing some Fail readers would.

It is part of a well rounded education to know what people believe but no education should be forced with such a ridiculous non-sequitur such as this one.
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go to a mosque and meet a bunch of forreners who want to destroy our way of life? i bet they come out wearing tea towels on their heads with bomb vests, go home and chop their mums heads off.
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