I dunno about self loathing, I would say a lot of Brits are loathing their own government.
Self loathing though? Try the exact opposite in most cases, if anything they are in love with themselves and if not that then celebs.
This whole 'self' thing is inferring that state and government is the same thing as self, which is just another authoritarian mindfuck.

shake wrote: Who the fuck is "we"?

You don't even live here and appear not to have done so much in the past either.
I'm not saying that's a bad thing, (for those of us that do live here).

Please stop with your embarrassing medieval mindset and Disneyesque 'history'.

In what way would it effect you if two gay people got married?
In particular, how would it effect you if they married in Scotland while you were in Thailand scouting for ladyboys?

oioioi wrote:
Given that the SNP seems to be in favour of joining the EU then they'll prolly end up with the Euro, lol.

bit below the belt feather

Shake is talking about independence for Scotland

And does it really matter what country he is currently in?

What ever happened to the welcome everyone attitude this forum once had

Stop picking on the laddie he hasn't done anything to you and I know you're not like that in real life

dawnbreak wrote: Sorry but if the guy thinks it's ok for him to deride and deny gay people and he attempts to frame that as a Scottish cultural thing I have no reservations in slapping his bigoted ass down.

I have always challenged bigotry head on Dawn, if you knew me you would know that was a given.

dawnbreak wrote:

Actually an ex pat living in Thailand pontificating what's best for people living in Scotland is pretty much comparable to a heterosexual pontificating what's best for homosexuals.

It won't effect them either way.

shake wrote: I don't blame Scottish people for wanting nothing to do with the Westminster parliament, it's perfectly natural, just don't expect much from the alternative. If you set your expectations as low as possible, you won't be disappointed.

can you not see the guy is a bit messed up at the moment

I'd rather welcome him then condemn him

sending you a pm feather

dawnbreak wrote: I have no tolerance for racist, nationalistic, homophobic or any other kind of bigotry.
I'll never welcome that or pretend it didn't happen.

"All that is required for evil to thrive is for good men to do nothing"

if he is racist and homophobic well yes that is not good

I'm a Nationalist, do you think that is wrong

dawnbreak wrote:
It's not wrong, it's nonsensical.

dawnbreak wrote: A nation is a political construct, an artifice.

It's defined by imaginary lines on maps and is generally used as a propaganda device to divide people.
It also gives rise to the notion that there is something unique about a group of humans which should be preserved at all costs.
I have asked many times over the years for anyone to define what patriotism actually means. I'm still waiting for an answer which makes sense or deserves sacrifice.


Nationalism is a dangerous concept imo.
Is it wrong?
Sell me it's benefits, other than as a rallying cry to pawns to line up to protect their masters grasp on power.
Then decide yourself.

dawnbreak wrote:
I dont care what people do.

I am a nationalist however. Like I said...proud to be a Scot

shake wrote: Why?

It's an easy question.
Go.....

So is your dislike of gay marriage the same as mine then, shake?
That the INSTITUTION of marriage as an arbitrary societal norm has been used as a tool of oppression for millenia and therefore anyone, gay or straight should avoid it and instead enjoy regular handfasts (sex )?

And not as i previously thought, an objection to homosexuality?

knobmeup wrote: Is this guaranteed if you opt out of marriage? If so, I feel a bit cheated.

Well I'm proud to be a Scot

I have stood in enough protests getting my feet wet to know that devolution was something we fought for

Independence is the next step

feather wrote:

So whats your point? My family are from Inverness, Nairn and Aviemore to name a few. You started with the map bearing

feather wrote:
yawn...do you not know your history....