just ask him to get a room with you ......you obviously fancy his intellect

dawnbreak wrote:

hes just lookin for a fight dawn. a master baiter.

dawnbreak wrote:
Do you mean Andy?

I have heard he gives good mind.

Many of us here (this forum) , have been here (this topic) before. Round and round.

My point is, now what?

Do we just recycle posts and debate and arguments that have already been made over there, and other places.

I dont see the point of re-doing all of this here to be honest, when it was done over there...so we have those who didnt think it happened at all, those who think it happened but the numbers arent correct, and those who think it happened as stated in the official story.

We can go on about this for hundreds of forum pages, or just accept the two lines above to be a summary of the hundreds of pages and then say, now what? Whats next?

No your sparring partner almasright/dogsmilk

@novum - thats where I am at as I explained earlier - I am not convinced by everything but I am not sure how helpful further discussion is as it is one of those things none of us will ever 'know' for sure - besides unless you out and out think that it didnt happen at all - the fact remains that a significant number of people died for reasons that are not related to 'war' peoples who were singled out because of their religion, ethnicity and disability.

We can argue about things - post pics, copy and paste stuff from both sides of any argument but to what end - say for example everyone on these forums said ok it never happened - then what? what is the point? what does it prove? what is the end game?

What is it that those who wish to revise the holocaust story wish to prove with such revision? what do they want to see follow from any such revelation? how would it change the everyday lives of people posting here? that would be a far more interesting and enlightening convo then rehashing the stuff seen on dif and elsewhere.

People died and were excuted in the war .


My Aunty was a member of the Young Nazi Party and she hated what happened happened .

She was told to hate Jews,, Coloured ...Black people and homosexuals

She actually spat at a jewish child once . Because she was was brought up to think Jews were bad and deserved to die.

She felt remorsefull afterwards, I like my Aunt and she is not a bad person , but what happened in WW2 was a war , there are no winners

dogsmilk wrote:
lmao


Yeah its the webster tarpley thing I'm on about alright

I can't recall the link as I was at home when I was watching it all (much to my amusement ofc )

I'm at work atm, I'll see if I can dig it out later.

dogsmilk wrote:
rofl!! I'll be sure to tell pesky :p

I love embarrassing her

thoreau wrote:
They wish to re-write history in order to make themselves/and/or their political viewpoint/s appear in a better light now. Thats the main objective of revisionism.

imo.

thoreau wrote:
Correct.
There are few accuracies to be had in life, except your own personal experience and those you trust personally perhaps or know very well.
Other than that and we're on to 'generalisations' again and cultural dogma and myths.

andyh wrote:
True enough. I wasn't there, which is key.

But, I'm fairly sure that the experience had by me and those like me wouldn't have been a pleasant one. And yes, there was a war on, through nobody's fault on the ground, imo. There was a war because a war was needed, according to someone, somewhere high up for some purpose I know little about. Terrible, unspeakable things happen to innocent people in war, that's also a given.

Personally, I think this kind of argument deflects from the real issue, which is and always has been, why were we at war and who was really at the bottom of it? I'm not referring to a particular group of people or a race or religion. We really need to re-focus our attention on this one, as the answers are all there. This kind of argument, although entirely valid, can distract us from seeing what actually happened here and is even happening now. And doubtless, will happen again.

dawnbreak wrote:
Fuck that, Dawny!!

If people want to join here and become a disturbing element then let them, that's why we have mods and an admin team. Don't be driven away from a place that you very much enjoy spending time just because some people have issues that they seem to think are important enough to force onto others! Unlike the DIF, I believe that if trouble comes knocking here, it won't end up creating the same kind of vacuum that it did over there. Allow those with enough rope to do the deed themselves!!

This place is still about free speech, and open discussion as long as it remains civil? Not an exclusive clique?

OK.... *phew*... just checking.

ronisron wrote:
I think it's fairly safe to say this IS the case, Ron. Look at the diverse membership the place has for a start. EVERYONE is welcome here. For people to throw their toys out of their pram (and I'm not referring to anyone in particular) and say I'm leaving if they come here...well, that's their choice.

I think we have proven here though, that it can and does work. But if someone is being an arsehole, it's each and every one of our responsibility to either call it out or ignore it. That was kind of the point of the place, imo.

Ab Origine wrote:
First bolded; AGREED 110%, that was also something that plagued the DIF. It's childish, folks.

Second bolded; AGREED again, it should be that way as well. Folks should be able to say when enough is enough with certain things.

dawnbreak wrote:
See that's the kind of the area of that stuff I personally find really important and interesting.

I'm sure your aunt isn't a bad person and I'm also sure there's a very good chance you, me and maybe everyone on this forum would have acted the same if their life circumstances had been identical. We may like to believe we wouldn't, but we've not lived in that environment and had the same life experience.

Apart from the inevitable psycho types, an awful lot of the people who did the actual killing weren't inherently bad people. They were just regular folk who found themselves sent somewhere and being told to do something, even being given a choice to opt out in some cases. If you are being told day in day out that X people are bad and the cause of all your problems you are going to start to perceive them in that way. Particularly if you've no opportunity to hear a counter viewpoint. Groups of people can be made out to be not like us, less than human, and it's by dehumanising people you can get people to do horrible things to them. And it's frighteningly easy for that to take root. You really don't have to be a bad person to be manipulated into picking on social group X in the belief they're the cause of all your troubles. Then it's going to feel righteous to persecute them.

It's not that these were all bad people - it's that if the germans/Austrians/Romanians/whoever can do it, anyone can. And they have. In similar ways throughout history. Yet we keeping repeating the same sort of mentality - and worse some people are really into that sort of mentality.
What's that all about?

dogsmilk wrote:
It's all about humans on the raw and ragged edge of things, for the most part. But that's the important bit we seem to keep forgetting: 'humans'. All of us.

my mother in law served breakfast to Josphe gorling .


She said he was nice but war war criminals have to be taken to task

O Snap, somebody owes me a dollar!

It was just a short matter of time before this came to be and I predicted it....and some other guy who isn't here anymore, and I really don't remember his name.

Dawn, come hang out with us cool kids.