Hahahah! So Sean the twat posts outright lies about people; bans members at will while leaving their status as 'active' because he wishes to trick others; supports racism while stating clearly in his rules that it's not acceptable; when caught reading PM's denies it saying he's shocked and hurt at such an accusation (till the screen prints prove he's lying) - and people can say what they want but have no moral right to object?

You're posting int the wrong section Cowboy - look for the one headed, "Have a Laugh".

cowboy wrote:
Listen bud.

I've put food on Icke's table and clothes on his back. I've probably even put a can of Tenants in his hand. I've promoted him, and his causes with great tenacity. His forum operates on something I view as a gentleman's agreement. To be silenced on that forum for asking a question or two by a man who promotes free speech in light of my support is ludicrous and promotes moral indignation.

Why do you find that difficult to understand?

Its not about legal standpoints or other such bollocks. Its about decency.

SilvaRizla wrote: Silva wins

Cowboy.
I somewhat think you've missed the point as to why the founders of SZ and TZ have such a low opinion of Sean. You seem to think it's because of the bans he handed out. Whereas, the lead up to those bans is more the issue for most I think. Thor has pointed out the issues re racism etc.
The Icke site (and Icke) purports to be all about peace, love and oneness. The forum could be a positive tool for change. However to increase traffic certain ideas where being liberally strewn all over the place unchecked by the admin. Ideas that are divisive and bigoted. Hardly peace, love and oneness.
This is my objection to Sean's rule. He will literally do whatever it takes to maintain the revenue stream. He is prepared to waste a good opportunity to run something which could really help usher change, for money. Which kind of goes against what Icke says. He's also prepared to use some pretty underhand tactics to achieve his goal. I reserve the 'right' to say this makes him a cunt.

I'm not really sure where to begin. I guess by saying,"Hi everybody." As you've probably guessed by now, I'm yet another disillusioned DIFer. Reading and experiencing the nearly-2000-post-shitstorm thread and the plethora of threads that followed it, and then hearing of this place and reading this thread has been a bit of a cathartic experience for me.

I was taken in by David the most in the 2009-2010 time period, and after that, I certainly became more wary of some of his messages and his motivations. For a while, I didn't really put much thought to him, despite reading the headlines on his site all too often, until I joined his forum. It was certainly a strange and sometimes intimidating, and always eventually frustrating place, but I didn't see anything sinister about it until this recent debacle starting with Sonia Poulton leaving TPV. Boy has it been a wake up call, I've had suspicions but always managed to put them out of my head, that David was not necessarily on the level. Especially since TPV started. So while these revelations don't shatter my worldview in any way, it is quite a strange feeling knowing now that I've been duped for so long. It's almost surreal, maybe because of my relative lack of surprise at this whole situation. As if I've known deep down that this is the truth for a long time.

Well that's the bad news, the good news is the fucker never got me in enough to give him a penny.

Oh and I haven't been banned yet. Still, I'm actually disgusted at the moderation staff on the DIF. I know we've just met, but that's not something I tend to say lightly. I would throw one of those barfing smiley faces in here right now if I wasn't so serious. The moderation has been heavy-handed and one-sided, to say the least. I don't even know how many people have been banned, but judging by this thread, even more than I thought. And it was plain as day that the banned users were exclusively the people that had tough questions to ask David, Sean, TPV, et al. And of course, users like doctor fish and orderoutofchaos get to hurl abuse unchecked at anyone who is "being negative." When the moderation issue fully dawned on me was when I really started to doubt what that place was. Coming here has opened my eyes.


Edit: Fuck, am I gonna be that guy with the long user name that fucks up the formatting every time he posts?

ImpureEnvelopeCrusher wrote:

Aye you're it


Welcome to the forum

I didn't get banned and still haven't been. Anyone that hasn't been banned from the DIF can look up my username on the list of members and see for themselves. I left of my own volition because pretty much everyone I liked or respected was either banned or left (mostly banned). Obviously things have got worse since then. The only reason I kept my account open was in case I need to keep in touch with a couple of people who were still active, but they have now been banned. For nothing. One of them I know for a fact went to see Icke at Wembley and paid to stay overnight. Meanwhile, there are still people on there who are flagrant racists. While I was there some posters had pictures of people giving Nazi salutes and Hitler as their avatars, and consistently posted racist and bigoted material, yet were allowed to accumulate thousands of posts.

I don't think this is a big conspiracy, I think the people who run it are simply out of their depth. And it definitely doesn't do what it says on the tin. On the front page of the Icke site it says: "Join the David Icke community and start engaging with like-minded individuals on our forum".



There is no community and all the like-minded individuals have been banned!

wake_up_bomb, I think I remember seeing someone around on the DIF back when I first joined with the same avatar as you. Would that have been you then?

Welcome I.E.C

All of these complaints are irrelevant. Build something better.
knobmeup wrote:

cowboy wrote:
I did. You ignored it

I never stated or implied that you had no moral standpoint. Hopefully, we all do.

As far as the david icke forum, you simply don't have a legal or practical means of enforcing YOUR standards (moral, legal, or practical) on THEIR forum. You're in full-on don quixote mode. As is the rest of this forum. As is TZ. It's tilting at windmills and wasting precious time that could be better spent on far more important issues. It's like scouring the sidewalk for pennies when you could be making $50/hour instead.
thoreau wrote:

cowboy wrote:
Erm...Yes you did, actually.
cowboy wrote:
Now just because you're confused yourself about a number of issues, including what you have & haven't said, don't think people will be so kindly obliging as to keep putting you straight, as your posts are incredibly boring to have to trawl through.

Hi IEC - welcome.

ImpureEnvelopeCrusher wrote: Probably!

*sighs* Its quite clear to me what cowboy is, and its sad and pathetic.

Erm I know the threads here do veer off topic from time to time but all that cack that 'cowboy' has typed maybe is correct, on the other hand it has nothing to do with the 'peoples voice thread'.

I mean it was not just a few posts off topic but it caused an entire derailment imo (perhaps I'm to pedantic).
Nobody as far as I know has posted that the Mods ought not ban people on DI or Daisy's behalf. For that they are entitled to do as they please quite legally.

The issue that people have with DIF & TPV is that some posters here have invested time, energy and even bought merchandise from DI, who have then been sliced out for daring to voice an 'unwelcome' opinion.

However the main issue here is that DI appears to promote 'free speech' and 'lack of censorship' in his 'career operations' so when people join DIF, support TPV and/or buy/watch/promote his ideas, they don't expect to be censored for typing something that is questioning either DI or his career material.

It's not the legal definition of how internet forum owners manage their webpage that is the issue, it's issues around a person or persons that are coning folk and need to censor/silence/ban those who start to ask questions.
TPV has caused a lot more people to start asking questions, hence the ban rate at DIF has increased.

Blue_Tackler wrote:
I know its a typo...but it made me laugh!

I ve edited it

Edit and all the other typ0s that I could find in that post......

I didn't even spot that, nice one!