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Re: The David Icke Forum 13 May 2012 19:56 #121

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andyh wrote:
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The rules are more for legal reasons than anything else.

And if the MSM catch on to the stuff going on in there he'll find out exactly how relevant those legal reasons are...


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Re: The David Icke Forum 13 May 2012 19:56 #122

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And I know I sound like a total loser to you lot like Im a blind follower or something, but its nothing of the sort - im just genuinely curious about how poeople have formulated such severe and concrete views on a man!

You don't sound like a loser to me dom. You sound like you are giving Icke the benefit of the doubt and that is commendable.

I take what you said about his domicile and car. He certainly doesn't live the high life.

I would like to think he is for real. I certainly don't think he went through the Wogan humiliation as part of some long term business plan!

However, knowing what I know now about how his Empire is run, I have very very real doubts about him. He has to make a living like all of us. That's fine. But that site is everything we are saying it is. It thrives on the negativity that's rampant there. As has been said, the more people that post in opposition to the racists, the more racist posts etc, the better. It's all about numbers. Numbers=revenue.

It is any business owner's duty to take responsibility for their business. Especially one who touts themselves as being ethical. The very most rope you could give Icke is that he is just banking the cheques and not making sure that his business is run responsibly. Even if that is all there is too it, he is still responsible, it's his site.

Thanks :)

If he's guilty then im not going to defend him, but as you say, i want to give the benefit of the doubt ie "sometimes clever people do dumb things"

The forum is very dark - and if it was my forum I would be ashamed.
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Re: The David Icke Forum 13 May 2012 20:08 #123

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Ab Origine wrote:
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Right, I've started somewhere to dump your points, if you wish to participate here sanctumzone.co.uk/forum/26-Projects--Mee...to-Mr-Icke.html#7404.

It's currently in the private area but can be moved if you so wish, just let the mods know.

Perhaps we should continue 'discussion' in this thread and just submit any points we'd like included on the thread linked above? This may make it easier for whoever compiles their communication to Mr Icke to make sure your point is included.

Thanks Ab - it may be a long-shot but got to be worth a try!

Definitely. Never let it be said that Sanctumites just like to sit and moan.

We like to 'do', too!! :bounce:

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Re: The David Icke Forum 13 May 2012 20:09 #124

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psketti wrote:
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domathy wrote:

The rules are more for legal reasons than anything else.

And if the MSM catch on to the stuff going on in there he'll find out exactly how relevant those legal reasons are...


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Re: The David Icke Forum 13 May 2012 20:11 #125

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To address your points domathy :)

Firstly I respect all you have had to say - You appear to just be asking reasonable questions and asking for clarification - which all of us can relate too considering what we have been asking for from sean.

My personal feelings about Icke are rather ambivalent - I do not personally know the man nor have I had any interactions with him so can only go by secondary sources which may or may not carry their own bias.

I suspect that Icke knows how the admin team run his site - I have issues with the way the site is run. That does not mean I think icke is a wanker or that he doesn't provide a service.

My issues are as follows....

There is a difference between hate speech and freedom of speech - without getting into the merits of freedom of speech it is my belief that with rights such as freedom of speech comes a responsibility not to be a shit. I suspect that in my time I have offended people - no one can entirely second guess whether what they do or do not say will be found offensive by someone else - there is however a line where any reasonable person knows the way they are presenting their beliefs is likely to cause upset.

Currently at the DIF there is unfettered and nurtured extreme views that whilst people are perfectly entitled to hold the way in which they present them is offensive and against the forum guidelines. Guidelines that were put in place by the admin team.

There is an incongruity in which the rules are applied and enforced - you cannot protect hate speech under the guise of freedom of speech and then silence anyone who says something about it - that is hypocrisy too far imho.

Rules are changed in order to react to criticism as opposed to rules changing after mature, open and considered discussion between the team and the community. How can anyone talk of people being sovereign whilst the site is a dictatorship? I understand that decisions need to be made and that sometimes not everything can be discussed and voted on - however the people who make up the DIF community either pay in cash or in time to be a part of it and the forum itself serves as a great advertising space for ickes work. How can we possibly come together as a community and be the change in the real world if we cannot do it on a forum? The answer is we can do it and are doing it - and it is the DIFs eternal shame that in order to do it we needed DG and others to provide this arena in which to do it.

How can we rail against invasion of privacy by governments and big business on a forum that employs the same tactics?

How can we possibly say infinite love is the only truth with a straight face - and about ridding ourselves of the ego when the person who espouses this says stuff like
I couldn't care less what they say because they are a bunch of irrelevant, self-indulgent navel-contemplators who are doing the Illuminati's job for them by seeking to undermine any researcher who commits the crime of actually getting the information out to the mainstream public.

For them, it is not about exposing manipulation and injustice, nor serving the greater good, it is about finding a vehicle for their own bile and hatreds. What deeply sad people they must be to have so much bile and hatred to hurl at their daily targets. How acidic their bodies must be by now, let alone their minds.

I feel for them, imagine living with that every day.

They are just cowards who hide behind log-in names to spew out their hatreds from their gutless anonymity. They have balls the size of processed peas and the word pathetic does not even begin to suffice.

I have already done more to inform the public worldwide, and change lives for the better, than these people will do if they live to be a thousand. That's all that matters to me, not the trash that is constantly hurled in my direction.

This was directed at the illusions website - who were threatened with legal action after posting some videos from youtube from icke - this was at the same time as the DIF was being set up so many websites and facebook pages that were not 'officially' endorsed were strong armed into either not mentioning icke or were shut down. Tactics big business have used against independents to the detriment of us all - creating monopolies which help no one.

That icke earns substantially more then the average person - I couldnt care less about - he works hard and if people want to buy it that is their choice - he can earn 10, 100, 1000, 1000000 a day I don't care - what I do care about is being treated like an idiot by those perpetuating the myth that he is in penury. It is a bit like people trying to tell me that the queen is poor - I know it isnt true - and I don't like being lied to.

Thats enough for now the pooch needs to be let out - but will address more stuff as I think of it.

In short my issue is not with icke as such it is with hypocrisy and nastiness.
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Re: The David Icke Forum 13 May 2012 20:21 #126

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Ab Origine wrote:
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Anyway, that was my second incarnation there and I was Madame Follette.


OMFG!!!!! :D

You've just bowled me over!

At this point then I am bound to offer my sincerest thanks for some of the PMs you sent me over there. As you know I went through a dark period of it all getting to me a while back and those PMs brought me back from the brink. You were a star then and you are a star now. Big up yourself. :hug:

Aww...shucks. :emb:

You're most welcome.

You can also testify that I at no point tried to trick you into sleeping with me by pretending to be a woman...largely due to the fact that I could really only have carried that misconception on for so long (the beard and hairy legs may have given me away eventually) and partly due to the fact that I'm genuinely not a 'deceptive' type, generally. :D

:mad: :mad: :mad:

You fucker , I had a few wanks over your posts and demeanor .

Bastard :bash:
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Re: The David Icke Forum 13 May 2012 20:23 #127

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Re: The David Icke Forum 13 May 2012 20:28 #128

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daavid1 wrote:
Ab Origine wrote:
dubmeup wrote:
Ab Origine wrote:

Anyway, that was my second incarnation there and I was Madame Follette.


OMFG!!!!! :D

You've just bowled me over!

At this point then I am bound to offer my sincerest thanks for some of the PMs you sent me over there. As you know I went through a dark period of it all getting to me a while back and those PMs brought me back from the brink. You were a star then and you are a star now. Big up yourself. :hug:

Aww...shucks. :emb:

You're most welcome.

You can also testify that I at no point tried to trick you into sleeping with me by pretending to be a woman...largely due to the fact that I could really only have carried that misconception on for so long (the beard and hairy legs may have given me away eventually) and partly due to the fact that I'm genuinely not a 'deceptive' type, generally. :D

:mad: :mad: :mad:

You fucker , I had a few wanks over your posts and demeanor .

Bastard :bash:

How many times can I say I'm sorry? :dunno:

Was I any good? :marx:
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Re: The David Icke Forum 13 May 2012 20:34 #129

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domathy wrote:
The thing he has total control over is his books, and thats where he is 100% accountable for his words. the forum is supposed to be about free, uncensored speech - as that is everything he claims to stand for - so I cant see how he can be held accountable for people being, well, people (im referring to racism etc). I do think moderation is necessary - but fairness is key

I'm not necessarily saying Icke needs to be held accountable, it's just that his forum is starting to give him a bad name. He needs to address it.
What we can agree on is that it needs to be brought to his attention. Time will tell us if he's in on it.

The moderation over there leaves a lot to be desired. There's hatred spouted and the people who take issue with it are the ones getting points. There's something very wrong there.

I should have become a moderator over there in hindsight. One it would have reigned in my dramatics :chuckle: Two, I would have seen what it was like on the inside.
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Re: The David Icke Forum 13 May 2012 20:34 #130

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Ab Origine wrote:

Was I any good? :marx:

Not in my case.
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Re: The David Icke Forum 13 May 2012 20:38 #131

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Ab Origine wrote:

Was I any good? :marx:

HAHAHAAAA!!!
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I thought at one point that Madam F was a curvaceous MILF, but my nagging doubts stopped me from fantasising :chuckle:
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Re: The David Icke Forum 13 May 2012 20:39 #133

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Ab Origine wrote:
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Ab Origine wrote:
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Anyway, that was my second incarnation there and I was Madame Follette.


OMFG!!!!! :D

You've just bowled me over!

At this point then I am bound to offer my sincerest thanks for some of the PMs you sent me over there. As you know I went through a dark period of it all getting to me a while back and those PMs brought me back from the brink. You were a star then and you are a star now. Big up yourself. :hug:

Aww...shucks. :emb:

You're most welcome.

You can also testify that I at no point tried to trick you into sleeping with me by pretending to be a woman...largely due to the fact that I could really only have carried that misconception on for so long (the beard and hairy legs may have given me away eventually) and partly due to the fact that I'm genuinely not a 'deceptive' type, generally. :D

:mad: :mad: :mad:

You fucker , I had a few wanks over your posts and demeanor .

Bastard :bash:

How many times can I say I'm sorry? :dunno:

Was I any good? :marx:

Oh yes :emb:

:fanx:
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Re: The David Icke Forum 13 May 2012 20:51 #134

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For me, the decision that Icke and his "works" were insubstantial and predominently plagiarised came from having read many, many, many of the same types of writers. The big difference was that the other writers had LIVED what they taught - they had travelled many routes and tested many methods before they sat down to write what they believed in and (importantly) how is could be used for the benfit of those interested.

I too have travelled many routes and tested many methods in the yawning years since I dumped Catholicism some 42 years ago, when I was 13 (yes, yes, yes, I'm 55 now :P ). The only thing Catholicism taught me was how to spot false teaching pdq. Look for the contradictions; look for the tutor that has never learned the subject; look for the parrot that just repeats what it heard somewhere else. The Flapdoodlers Chopra, Hay, Tolle and their ilk all smacked of that phoney kind (and I threw their works over my shoulder and left them where they dropped); and Icke did the same. It is simply reworked and insubstantial versions of the writers who might be found here:

www.newthoughtlibrary.com

but who lived and dedicated themselves to their beliefs and teachings WITHOUT terrifying anyone and drawing out of the id long dormant fears of possession and soul eating demons.

I remember by the time I got to him "explaining" in I Am Me, I Am Free how he had met Pamela (the reptilian shape-shifter he didn't know was one... until their divorce 6 years on) and told Linda (his first wife) that she was interfering with his not being able to expand his Universal Love to the full.... :D I'll give him this - as an excuse for not being able to keep it in his pants, it was original at least :D

I dislike Icke not because of his nasty, controlled, controlling forums; but because, like Chopra et al... he sticks in my craw the more I try to swallow him.

But this is only me. Do NOT think I would think low about or sneer at anyone who chose to like or believe him. Each to his own.

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Re: The David Icke Forum 13 May 2012 20:52 #135

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Another case of too little too late - HJ and Gonzo now both on warning and this in response to it from dolores
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Mind you I don't pity the ones targeting posters on the DIF! Such a lot of warnings and bannings. Could the mods check this out please, it appears to happen very frequently following certain threads?
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Re: The David Icke Forum 13 May 2012 20:54 #136

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Warning regarding invitations to join other forums
Have you been sent a PM inviting you to join another forum or website?

If so please be aware that a small handful of other forums/websites out there have been set-up by individuals with a personal axe to grind, who are out to harm and disrupt this forum by recruiting members on here in order to promote an anti David Icke Forum/David Icke agenda.

If you receive any correspondence from another member inviting you to a place you feel is at odds with this forum please feel free to report it to one of the moderators or admin team on this forum. You can do so by clicking on the red triangle with exclamation mark in the middle (located at the bottom left of the PM) or by simply forwarding the PM to one of the team.

Over the years we've had numerous anti David Icke Forum/David Icke websites spring up and unfortunately a tiny minority of our members get fooled into joining them. Many lies are usually spread about this place and about David in order for the recruitment drive to be successful and as a consequence people get banned in the process.

The reason people were/are banned here is for linking to sites that are predominantly set up to promote an anti David Icke Forum/David Icke agenda and bad mouth site staff or David; And [arrogantly] using this sites resources to promote it!

This is something we simply do not tolerate. Any owners or members of other forums/websites caught doing so will find their accounts banned without warning.

If you would like to discuss this off the forum via email feel free to email me at This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it..

And this ^^
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Re: The David Icke Forum 13 May 2012 20:58 #137

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I remember by the time I got to him "explaining" in I Am Me, I Am Free how he had met Pamela (the reptilian shape-shifter he didn't know was one... until their divorce 6 years on) and told Linda (his first wife) that she was interfering with his not being able to expand his Universal Love to the full.... I'll give him this - as an excuse for not being able to keep it in his pants, it was original at least

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Another case of too little too late - HJ and Gonzo now both on warning and this in response to it from dolores
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am guessing she is not talking about us lots bannings :P

Whats going on there then?
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What I particularly dislike about all this Icke nonsense is that they (over there) seem to think that the Sanctum was set up "all about Icke" again, just in the negative. And it wasn't.

It was so that posters who had something to say could do that, in a better atmosphere and without getting hunted down by the anti-jews/gays/blacks/short-haired women/etc brigade.

These forums were started because we all wanted better.

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What I particularly dislike about all this Icke nonsense is that they (over there) seem to think that the Sanctum was set up "all about Icke" again, just in the negative. And it wasn't.

It was so that posters who had something to say could do that, in a better atmosphere and without getting hunted down by the anti-jews/gays/blacks/short-haired women/etc brigade.

These forums were started because we all wanted better.

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Exactly yep.

I notice arcyclus the 'black libertarian' *cough splutter lol!* is backing up gonzo the ss officer himself.
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