ok... thoreaus retort to ickes video...

He asserts that if you are against tpv you are for the system.

Failure to see that asking questions about the way in which tpv is run is not against the idea of tpv it is against the implementation. Anything that challenges the system should not be run in the same way as that which it opposes or it too will just become that which it opposes.

We are apparently ignoring content

what content? where did this content come from? is this content that has been produced directly by tpv or are tpv just giving a different platform to people already putting that content out? what are we not being told about and by whom?

Lets be honest with ourselves whilst I do believe that the msm actively ignores some stories whilst giving others prominence, different papers have different political allegiances and bias and different forms of media have a lot of fucking appalling filler - tpv is no different from this

By ignoring the content we can justify criticism of tpv

another complete crock of shit - I would say that in ignoring the criticism tpv can justify their actions to date.

The hacking was not done by the establishment

kinda ruins the argument that tpv are a threat to the establishment don't it? if it is not a threat or seen as a threat it aint that groundbreaking.

they know not what they do

by suggesting that magnetic forces and energy fields are causing people to question tpv and icke it utterly ignores the fact that there are genuine concerns

volunteers have worked hard to put up youtube vids

emotional manipulation pure and simple - how hard is it to put up a youtube vid?

The world lacks love and caring

I see a lot of love and caring in the world - all about perception eh david

by ignoring them they go away

they have not gone away

those around david want him to 'go for them; (detractors) but he doesn't want to

tells me a lot about those he has surrounded himself by

going to extremes eventually puts people off

icke has a point here i feel and as such I do believe it is important to stick as much as possible to verifiable and evidenced facts

in summary

Icke absolves tpv from being held to account because it doesnt matter how tpv behaves so long as they get out content

He personally does not want to go after those who say things about himself or tpv but those around him want to

Those who speak out against him or tpv are under the influence of energy or magnetic forces - which will be my defense in court should icke should ever issue a case against me and by his own words I am absolved of wrong doing

He doesn't respond to abuse apparently - and yet here is yet another video responding to abuse and calling people stupid, idiots etc for daring to question

All I'm really bothered about (and I'm not that bothered about this) is:

(a) Is it acceptable / wise / viable / anything other than completely incompetent / possibly even corrupt (delete as applicable) to ask for £100,000 via crowdfunding to run something, and then later ask for seven times this amount?

(b) If you do receive seven times that amount, at what point, if ever, will you no longer be reliant on small contributions from the public?

(c) Regardless of whether the content is blinding, good, bad, indifferent, or risible, will a television channel streamed on the Internet even conceivably change anything? Are there any plans to be on actual TV? If not, why not?

(d) Do you even have any viable proposals for creating positive change anyway? Or is it just more (justified) bashing of TPTB?

thoreau wrote:
Great points made Thoreau- sorry to snip post.

Slightly tangential ?n

If the majority of progs are 3rd party offerings - do these people PAY TPV for use of their ''platform'' ? Sort of an advertising fee?

novum wrote:

"Military Intelligence Agencies" I'm sure they have many more interesting and real things to deal with than Ickey and his bitches stuff.

The guy is on a losing streak now he's pulling out all the emotional blackmail techniques he can.

electricdreams wrote:
I don't have floorboards (concrete floor) and I don't eat crisps!


I'm sure you're right about the mic/loo - look forward to that.................... NOT !!

electricdreams wrote:
Last night on the TPV Facebook page people were getting pissed off at the hit and miss of the whole station. They said only bits came on here and there all weekend. Two people were saying they could hear voices like a private conversation as if somebody had forgotten to turn the microphone off!!!! What a shambles!!!

Verlander wrote:
I've heard far worse tbf but I thought that was the actual program at first.

Not much ignoring (for they know not what they do) with that daily mirror esc hitpiece on the DI Headlines now was there? Can't say it wasn't him that did that (even though it was probably shaun), because he's put his name to it. I love how he said he put TPV in Saun's hands because he knew it would be safe with him.

However - it also says a lot about me. A few weeks ago I might have been lapping that up like a puppy dog. I so wanted TPV to succeed (and still do as long as it's run ethically), but oh no - Ive been taken over by dark forces and now serve the minions of evil. I feel rather sad that I could have been taken in by him, and that he speaks like that about people who are having doubts about him and 'his mission'.

I do think Sharon (Mother Damnable) might have played into his hands though. Why accuse DI of taking coke when she obviously has no proof of this (assuming that skype conversation is word for word correct of course). I do think people with any inside knowledge should strictly stick to whatever facts they know and not embelish as embelishments allow them to sway others from looking just at the facts. i.e 'Well if they are saying that then you must dismiss anything else they say' . I understand ppl say things in the heat of the moment, but...

@Sharon, I would like to ask. Did you skype them on that occasion, or did they skype you? If you skyped them, what was the purpose of your call? Also, was that the full trancript of your convo, or were bits left out or edited?

Refugee wrote:
I have not seen much in the way of third party content - what I have seen that is made in house is ickes version of eammon holmes going through the papers on the gmtv sofa, a 'this morning' style health phone in. A terrible tpv version of chris evans tfi friday (the banned - why do I chuckle each time I say that?), and wtf - which is aptly named as it is usually followed by 'is this shit' - there have also been derek acorah style psychic shows.

I liked sonias input and it seemed to be gearing towards reporting from the scene (the fracking stuff) and I had hoped that she would branch out and do more investigative stuff rather than skype interviews where she seemed to be restrained from actually getting her teeth in.

Icke: "...they know no what they do" - Still using the Jesus/Son of God references. I thought that schtick was long gone from Icke's repetoire.

electricdreams wrote:
It beggars belief because there were plenty of enthusiastic sound engineers offering to volunteer their time that I'm sure could have done a far better job, no problem. All this 'pro-quality' stuff was just another pack of lies. They bought all the stuff 2nd hand at knock down prices & have got people operating it that obviously aint got a beef stew.
I did actually consider volunteering for it but I'm glad I didn't now..... firstly it would have been a waste of time because they most likely wouldn't respond, and secondly I wouldn't want to be near anything that reeks so badly of poor professionalism and scamming people.

Quality Street wrote:
Same here. I feel a total fool for being taken in by him and giving a decent donation with extra monthly donations. But I'm damned if I'm going to accept any of his puerile crap now. I'm furious that I've been taken for an idiot and if I still lived in West London, I'd make my way down there and tell him so.

And that Richie I don't trust as far I could throw him. Says something about a guy that was sacked from a tin pot radio station and ends up on TPV. I'd be interested to know why he was sacked. His ex boss Maurice Boland is on FB if anyone wants to ask him of course. I'd be interested to know how Icke and Allen hooked up as Richie is so far up his arse he's digesting what Icke has for lunch.

revlovejoy wrote:
TBH I can't see Ken O'keefe sticking around much longer. He has been involved in enterprises (Greenpeace was one) before where 'in' fighting had started breaking out, and he said in an interview on TPV (think it was an interview) that if anything similar happened with TPV he's off. Have tons of respect for Ken O'keefe.

Space Bandit wrote:
I have a friend who is a sound engineer (or whatever you call it lol) and he has worked with some well known UK musicians and I told him about TPV and how they were looking for volunteers and as he is into the whole AM scene he emailed them with his CV. He said he could come in on his days off etc. but they turned him down because he doesn't live in London.

So they turned down a professional and instead used volunteers who forget to mute the mike. I wonder how many more stories there are like that?

It doesn't make sense.

It almost looks as if it was meant to fail.

All the nausea surrounding TPV will put people off being involved or donate to any new, pukka, AM venture for the forseeable future and saying that, it would explain why TPV looks so much like a deliberate self-decapitation.

Wise Haven wrote:
That is the sad thing about it.

the really sad thing for me is that all of this could have been avoided, ofc you would still get people commenting negatively about content, presenters and icke but it is my contention that the majority of the disillusionment comes not from the idea of tpv but from the way donators and supporters have been treated.

lack of communication
lack of transparency
not fulfilling promises of perks etc before asking for more money
namecalling those who started out asking justified questions
the arrogance of icke et al over whether those donating have the right to ask where the money has gone
nepotism in the face of a huge amount of public support and offers for help
grandiosity of the idea with the expectation of public funding
the pre emptive attacks on anyone who has concerns

sound issues and the constant begging would be mitigated imho had they been more open - this does not feel like a voice of the people as the people are being ignored - it is a public funded vanity project.

thoreau wrote:
That sums it up in a nutshell! In the olden days a person (usually rich) might have built a "folly" - an architectural structure which serves little or no useful purpose... but this would nearly always be with their own money.

Icke built TPV out of other people's money, and it could be seen as a modern-day folly of sorts.

TPV has NEVER been what we expected this to be, it is Icke's voice , and those opinions that are not liked are dicarded, the way Icke Did now in his video, the PEOPLE, and those BANNED and forbidden to have a say, don't have a say, with no refund for those who contributed.