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Re: Positive Action: does It Work? 04 Jun 2012 10:50 #21

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I posted a while back on another forum that I have no skills (I'm a quick learner though :D)
The state wants us as dependent babies, sitting there with our bibs on waiting for the next spoonful. And for the most part we're complying, turning into the babies they want us to be.

It's a problem.
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Re: Positive Action: does It Work? 04 Jun 2012 10:53 #22

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Well Thank You for that exhaust post, The Apprentice, because it helped start a new attitude in my mind over and above just following instructions on what to do about the problem. It was the moment I began to realise that the exhaust might not be this "complex, specialist, scary, difficult to handle" creation.... but a tin tube, potentially fixed with a tin can...

As dubmeup says in his post above, a large mecchano set. It doesn't take an "expert" or high prices to fix. It is nothing but a series of tin tubes, plastic pipes, rubber hoses, nuts and bolts, etc. :)
There is no such thing as Thin Air: Thin Air is full of the particles of creation.

Take something that costs you nothing but effort;
And practice, practice, practice until you make it something fabulous.

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If he undaunted be....". (Beowulf)....
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Re: Positive Action: does It Work? 04 Jun 2012 10:56 #23

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So, how about we add a new bit to the site, where those that have skills/are in need of skills can post?

I for one would certainly be willing to travel a little bit to help others out. Hopefully having been shown something, they'd then be able to help themselves. There's also occasions where I could do with some tuition meself.
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Re: Positive Action: does It Work? 04 Jun 2012 10:58 #24

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Your right about the ability of very many people, the corporate monsters also know this and why the general public must be dimmed and departmentalised in order of taking away ones ability to learn new things.

I have witnessed this happen in every detail when I was working for a local garage as an RAC breakdown mechanic, in the early days we could get nearly every car going again with minimal parts, then in came the laptops and black boxes which halted forward motion and the costs to both us and the motorist rocketted and the journies taken aboard a truck because we couldn't afford to keep the boxes on the shelf.

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On the subject of cars cant, you'd be pleasantly surprised how quickly you'd pick up mechanics. An awful lot of it is just having the right tools, a Haynes and some incentive. I was a latecomer to cars having been a committed cyclist all my life. When I took my test in my early 30s, I was skint so had to learn how to keep a vehicle on the road. Within two years I had the confide nce to remove, strip and rebuild engines. It's just big meccano :) Dive in to it, I reckon you'd be ace at it
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Re: Positive Action: does It Work? 04 Jun 2012 10:58 #25

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On the subject of cars cant, you'd be pleasantly surprised how quickly you'd pick up mechanics. An awful lot of it is just having the right tools, a Haynes and some incentive. I was a latecomer to cars having been a committed cyclist all my life. When I took my test in my early 30s, I was skint so had to learn how to keep a vehicle on the road. Within two years I had the confidence to remove, strip and rebuild engines. It's just big meccano :) Dive in to it, I reckon you'd be ace at it

This is exactly the way I've started to look at the thing now, dubs! :D I'm still a little backed off to be honest, in case I make things worse but then, I'm developing that Joan Collins attitude of when she married the much younger man and was asked about the age difference; she shrugged and said, "If he dies, he dies". :D

I'm looking at my car and thinking, "If it dies, it dies".

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Take something that costs you nothing but effort;
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Re: Positive Action: does It Work? 04 Jun 2012 11:00 #26

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dubmeup wrote:
So, how about we add a new bit to the site, where those that have skills/are in need of skills can post?

I for one would certainly be willing to travel a little bit to help others out. Hopefully having been shown something, they'd then be able to help themselves. There's also occasions where I could do with some tuition meself.

Anyone know how to fix a dripping tap? :emb:
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Re: Positive Action: does It Work? 04 Jun 2012 11:00 #27

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dubmeup wrote:
So, how about we add a new bit to the site, where those that have skills/are in need of skills can post?

I for one would certainly be willing to travel a little bit to help others out. Hopefully having been shown something, they'd then be able to help themselves. There's also occasions where I could do with some tuition meself.

*shoots hand into air* If you want your horse broken in and trained in dressage and jumping, I'll do it.

:D

ETA: Ooops :emb: And teach you what I'm doing, so you can do the next horse yourself.

:D
There is no such thing as Thin Air: Thin Air is full of the particles of creation.

Take something that costs you nothing but effort;
And practice, practice, practice until you make it something fabulous.

"...Wyrde saves oft the man undoomed
If he undaunted be....". (Beowulf)....
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Re: Positive Action: does It Work? 04 Jun 2012 11:05 #28

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in the early days we could get nearly every car going again with minimal parts, then in came the laptops and black boxes which halted forward motion and the costs to both us and the motorist rocketted and the journies taken aboard a truck because we couldn't afford to keep the boxes on the shelf.
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Aye, I'm a carb head personally although since going to a GTI I've had to learn the black box stuff. Aside from the laptop, I spent £10 on a cable and downloaded the diagnostic software for free. It really is quite something to be able to go for a drive and then check graphs of fuelling, timing etc :) I have to say that the ability to instantly see which sensor has failed is also a plus.

Ok, fully featured versions of say VAGCOM cost a few hundred quid but the free ones do nearly all that the home mechanic would need. So how come garages took the move to ECU's as a cue to charge many dollar? Mmmmm
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Re: Positive Action: does It Work? 04 Jun 2012 11:06 #29

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Anyone know how to fix a dripping tap? :emb:
Put a new washer on the jumper :)
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Re: Positive Action: does It Work? 04 Jun 2012 11:10 #30

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dubmeup wrote:
irrepressible wrote:
Anyone know how to fix a dripping tap? :emb:
Put a new washer on the jumper :)

Are washers all a standard size? What's a jumper? Do I have to turn the water off? (I think I do :D) How do you remove the turny thing to get at the washer jumper thing?
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Re: Positive Action: does It Work? 04 Jun 2012 11:13 #31

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dubmeup wrote:
So, how about we add a new bit to the site, where those that have skills/are in need of skills can post?

I for one would certainly be willing to travel a little bit to help others out. Hopefully having been shown something, they'd then be able to help themselves. There's also occasions where I could do with some tuition meself.

We have the Local economies/communities section

sanctumzone.co.uk/forum/Survival--Local-...es--Communities.html
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Re: Positive Action: does It Work? 04 Jun 2012 11:19 #32

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irrepressible wrote:
Are washers all a standard size? What's a jumper? Do I have to turn the water off? (I think I do :D) How do you remove the turny thing to get at the washer jumper thing?

Yes turn the mains off. Use a spanner to take the top off the tap, there should be a nut looking thing under the turny thing :hahano: I dont know what size UK washers are, so just match one up.

In the next diy installment i will teach you how to use VCM suite and connect it to the OBD II port of a GM car in conjunction to fitting an additional wideband o2 bung and sensor into the exhaust, to lean out the air fuel ratio so it uses less fuel. :hahano:
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Re: Positive Action: does It Work? 04 Jun 2012 11:25 #33

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novum wrote:
irrepressible wrote:
Are washers all a standard size? What's a jumper? Do I have to turn the water off? (I think I do :D) How do you remove the turny thing to get at the washer jumper thing?

Yes turn the mains off. Use a spanner to take the top off the tap, there should be a nut looking thing under the turny thing :hahano: I dont know what size UK washers are, so just match one up.
Washer size varies, a kitchen tap will have a different size washer to a vanity basin one for example. If you haven't got a store of washers it's easiest to remove the old one then go get a new one. The jumper is the bit that is wound up and down when you turn the turny bit :). The washer sits at the base of it and forms a seal when wound down that blocks the water flow.
In the next diy installment i will teach you how to use VCM suite and connect it to the OBD II port of a GM car in conjunction to fitting an additional wideband o2 bung and sensor into the exhaust, to lean out the air fuel ratio so it uses less fuel. :hahano:
PMSL Can you do me a new Eprom for my mk2 pease. That's the only way you can change fuelling on one of those :)
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Re: Positive Action: does It Work? 04 Jun 2012 11:27 #34

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novum wrote:

We have the Local economies/communities section

sanctumzone.co.uk/forum/Survival--Local-...es--Communities.html

Ah yes, I will now go and make a post :)
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Re: Positive Action: does It Work? 04 Jun 2012 11:39 #35

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It is because of this technological age that I have been able to share everything I know, the skills the litterary minds and the avenues are all here on this forum.

See it in fully flow wherever I go in my avatars real and albums galore, I'm not looking for recognition just helping myself first then passing on my knowledge for free in metal wood and leather.

m.flickr.com/your_recent_photos.gne?

www.beekeepingforum.co.uk/search.php?searchid=1397762

If there were such outlets like these in house we could almost move mountains as they say. I know that everybody does'nt have my abilities or interests but to datewe have saved many thousands learning to do the tasks as we went. We diversified into totally different fields.
Talkies are all the rage we know but film was invented first and the culmination is the most powerful media of all like joined up writing and a licence to print money.




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cantata wrote:
I think that "list of 4" is incredibly important for everyone, rich and poor. And yes, getting out, being together, having been of use to others in a day: all free and available from one minute to the next. But I think old, poor and "useless" people become so demoralised they no longer think to enjoy what is around them. They are so written off, even by their own kind and certainly by the people who work with them.

I'm firmly of the belief that the Human is the most spectacular of all creations. Even the "lowest". Even the most uneducated or disadvantaged. They can, if they want, if they are shown how, if they are even slightly empowered, change everything about themselves and around themselves. They just need to remember it and feel "enabled".

Uniting, having a say, sharing ideas and outings.... wouldn't that be something?

:)
I agree with everything you've said here, and I think it's vitally important. It's definitely hard to achieve because we live in this technological corporate matrix that constantly tells you that you're not worth anything if you don't drive a BMW, but the more people that get together and resolve to support each other and help each other out, the better. Of course, this is precisely the sort of support that the Jobcentre will never give them, because their remit is to churn out economically useful pawns.
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Re: Positive Action: does It Work? 07 Jun 2012 23:14 #36

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The Apprentice wrote:
It is because of this technological age that I have been able to share everything I know, the skills the litterary minds and the avenues are all here on this forum.

See it in fully flow wherever I go in my avatars real and albums galore, I'm not looking for recognition just helping myself first then passing on my knowledge for free in metal wood and leather.

m.flickr.com/your_recent_photos.gne?

www.beekeepingforum.co.uk/search.php?searchid=1397762

If there were such outlets like these in house we could almost move mountains as they say. I know that everybody does'nt have my abilities or interests but to datewe have saved many thousands learning to do the tasks as we went. We diversified into totally different fields.
Talkies are all the rage we know but film was invented first and the culmination is the most powerful media of all like joined up writing and a licence to print money.




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cantata wrote:
I think that "list of 4" is incredibly important for everyone, rich and poor. And yes, getting out, being together, having been of use to others in a day: all free and available from one minute to the next. But I think old, poor and "useless" people become so demoralised they no longer think to enjoy what is around them. They are so written off, even by their own kind and certainly by the people who work with them.

I'm firmly of the belief that the Human is the most spectacular of all creations. Even the "lowest". Even the most uneducated or disadvantaged. They can, if they want, if they are shown how, if they are even slightly empowered, change everything about themselves and around themselves. They just need to remember it and feel "enabled".

Uniting, having a say, sharing ideas and outings.... wouldn't that be something?

:)
I agree with everything you've said here, and I think it's vitally important. It's definitely hard to achieve because we live in this technological corporate matrix that constantly tells you that you're not worth anything if you don't drive a BMW, but the more people that get together and resolve to support each other and help each other out, the better. Of course, this is precisely the sort of support that the Jobcentre will never give them, because their remit is to churn out economically useful pawns.

The self same technological age has also been the culprit to rob us of the motivation to do things for ourselves, when we can press a button to get it done. And when its thrust at us ever more cheaply, we think its great and will be reluctant to change. Its a great oportunity to spread the help across the internet right enough. But when you can go into to the local supermarket to get goods for half nothing, because the slaves in the fields get feck all anyway, are we going to change to help ourselves and the slaves as a whole, or are we more likely to help ourselves first, and fek the slaves.

I,m lucky enough , like apprentice to have had the opportunity to learn many skills thoroughly enough to not have to call on , an electrician, carpenter , joiner, cabinetmaker, wood turner, wood carver, plasterer, brickie, mechanic, roofer, gardener, panter, decorator ect.And it was because I dont like giving exhorbitant amounts of profit to people to do, what I should be able to do for myself. I,ve never had the need to exchange large amounts of profit to like minded people as myself. I exchange skills, and its mutually beneficial for anyone I trade with. And the only people involved in the trade are us, no middleman, and no robbing thieving government officials, and no rich fat cat at the top of the corporate pyramid getting profit from me. End of rant. If you want to get independant in living, get the necessary tools to do that, and that means the skill you require.

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Re: Positive Action: does It Work? 08 Jun 2012 06:24 #37

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I would go as far as to say that we are doing all of those things DUB, here today.

7. Recognise where those short falling lie, advise, educare and they only way its going to get done is by and from those left who can scense what is ahead, its no good thinking without hands and eyes that can actually do it.

Get good at what your doing first, then and only then will something germinate.

Occupy ones self pelf and with the surplus mental energy barter it with both book and braun not via only one paradigm.

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I was thinking more that they should help each other out in little practical ways to start off with. This is something we could all be doing. It's probably asking a bit much yet for people to pool their resouces, but, to put it simply, helping each other makes people happy. I know, because I've studied Psychology, that for all the bloody research that's been done in every conceivable area, and all the therapy that's been undertaken, and so on, I've only ever seen four suggestions that seem to have some consistent positive concrete effect on people's mood:

(1) Spending time in nature.
(2) Getting more exercise.
(3) Helping other people.
(4) Eating more healthily, or more naturally.

I suppose the fifth one would be "doing something productive" which is harder to identify, and a possible sixth one might be "having sex regularly" which may be not open to everyone! However, everything else is basically a waste of time. But how often do unemployed people do any of these things? That's why they end up in a rut. They perceive that it's an economic rut, which of course it is partly, but the best things in life are free, we've just all forgotten what they are.

Not an accident, of course, because as you say, Thatcher is the archetypal figure who helped create this me, me, me, atomised culture and society. That's why I believe that basic solidarity is so important because it's the first step towards reversing these trends.
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Re: Positive Action: does It Work? 08 Jun 2012 06:36 #38

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Not a rant but right, all of the answers here within one thread, every skill we gain as individuals frees a slave somewhere else, a slave being forced by a set of ideals on behalf of someone else.

I will say this again like a stuck record, Every step we take upon childerick is already rearing.its ugly head, every penny we think we save is now starting to cost us dearly in profit upon our sinew and sanity.

There are those who will say, its easy for you to say because your skilled, but it wasn't easy getting here.

Wake up, take the red pill.

Ready or not its coming.

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The Apprentice wrote:
It is because of this technological age that I have been able to share everything I know, the skills the litterary minds and the avenues are all here on this forum.

See it in fully flow wherever I go in my avatars real and albums galore, I'm not looking for recognition just helping myself first then passing on my knowledge for free in metal wood and leather.

m.flickr.com/your_recent_photos.gne?

www.beekeepingforum.co.uk/search.php?searchid=1397762

If there were such outlets like these in house we could almost move mountains as they say. I know that everybody does'nt have my abilities or interests but to datewe have saved many thousands learning to do the tasks as we went. We diversified into totally different fields.
Talkies are all the rage we know but film was invented first and the culmination is the most powerful media of all like joined up writing and a licence to print money.




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cantata wrote:
I think that "list of 4" is incredibly important for everyone, rich and poor. And yes, getting out, being together, having been of use to others in a day: all free and available from one minute to the next. But I think old, poor and "useless" people become so demoralised they no longer think to enjoy what is around them. They are so written off, even by their own kind and certainly by the people who work with them.

I'm firmly of the belief that the Human is the most spectacular of all creations. Even the "lowest". Even the most uneducated or disadvantaged. They can, if they want, if they are shown how, if they are even slightly empowered, change everything about themselves and around themselves. They just need to remember it and feel "enabled".

Uniting, having a say, sharing ideas and outings.... wouldn't that be something?

:)
I agree with everything you've said here, and I think it's vitally important. It's definitely hard to achieve because we live in this technological corporate matrix that constantly tells you that you're not worth anything if you don't drive a BMW, but the more people that get together and resolve to support each other and help each other out, the better. Of course, this is precisely the sort of support that the Jobcentre will never give them, because their remit is to churn out economically useful pawns.

The self same technological age has also been the culprit to rob us of the motivation to do things for ourselves, when we can press a button to get it done. And when its thrust at us ever more cheaply, we think its great and will be reluctant to change. Its a great oportunity to spread the help across the internet right enough. But when you can go into to the local supermarket to get goods for half nothing, because the slaves in the fields get feck all anyway, are we going to change to help ourselves and the slaves as a whole, or are we more likely to help ourselves first, and fek the slaves.

I,m lucky enough , like apprentice to have had the opportunity to learn many skills thoroughly enough to not have to call on , an electrician, carpenter , joiner, cabinetmaker, wood turner, wood carver, plasterer, brickie, mechanic, roofer, gardener, panter, decorator ect.And it was because I dont like giving exhorbitant amounts of profit to people to do, what I should be able to do for myself. I,ve never had the need to exchange large amounts of profit to like minded people as myself. I exchange skills, and its mutually beneficial for anyone I trade with. And the only people involved in the trade are us, no middleman, and no robbing thieving government officials, and no rich fat cat at the top of the corporate pyramid getting profit from me. End of rant. If you want to get independant in living, get the necessary tools to do that, and that means the skill you require.

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Re: Positive Action: does It Work? 08 Jun 2012 07:10 #39

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Re: Positive Action: does It Work? 08 Jun 2012 08:36 #40

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The Apprentice wrote:
Not a rant but right, all of the answers here within one thread, every skill we gain as individuals frees a slave somewhere else, a slave being forced by a set of ideals on behalf of someone else.

I will say this again like a stuck record, Every step we take upon childerick is already rearing.its ugly head, every penny we think we save is now starting to cost us dearly in profit upon our sinew and sanity.

There are those who will say, its easy for you to say because your skilled, but it wasn't easy getting here.

Wake up, take the red pill.

Ready or not its coming.

If you are keen to learn a certain skill, but say to yourself " I couldn,t do that, I wouldn,t be able ". Then you are already building walls within you that will prevent you from reaching your goal of attaining that skill.It may be hard, but its not impossible. And with the internet its now easier to acquire knowledge on a certain skillset, than it ever was before, once you have the motivation , you cant fail.
I am self taught in every skill I have , never attended a technological college, for restricted access to any skill. I perfected my craft because I had motivation to do so, purely because I had a passion for working with wood. But I also learned a lot of other skills, because I had a necessity to do so.
And I believe that is whats coming down the road, the need to be as self sustainable as possible, will limit the impact of whats a head to somne degree.
As the saying goes ...........aim small, miss small. Dont aim for the stars at the outset, and you wont be disappointed.
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Whether its 50 cents or five dollars, your donations are appreciated and help keep this community site running so we can all continue to enjoy using it.
This target is to meet our server cost for one year, June 2020 - May 2021, in USD.
$ 340 - Target
( £ 250 GBP )
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$ 192 - Raised
( £ 140 GBP )
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56%
Most Recent Donation:
$122 USD on 4th Jan 2021
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Ethereum Address: 0xe69915c80dd75df19f438d556267e04f932f057d
 
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No one is obliged to donate, please only donate what you can afford. Even the smallest amount helps. Being an active member is a positive contribution. Thank You.

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