Always been a bit sceptical about this topic. One of the more 'out there' CT's right? Until this morning.

Manchester UK, got up at 8am, perfectly clear blue skies for once. Its now nearly 10am, and for the last 2 hours I've watched them do it. Absolutely no doubt whatsoever about it, they're hazing the sky over.. Wish I had a camera ffs.

I'm gobsmacked.

diamondgeezer wrote:
G'day Diamondgeezer.

Here's a decent documentary on the subject ...

... from memory, they get an analysis done to find out what exactly is being sprayed. There's also a fair amount of documentation of how it is affecting areas with heavy spraying.

There are probably very few "conspiracy theories" that have so many facts to support them as chemtrails. Hard facts going back decades. We know they wanted to do it, we know some of the reasons why they wanted to do it, we know how they wanted to do it, they've patented how they do it, we even know that they've admitted doing it and we've been watching them do it for some years now.

There are also few conspiracy theories that have attracted such persistent and aggressive trolls who are an absolute waste of time trying to debate with.

Those who have been gifting orgonite have even gone a few steps further and taken a proactive approach that has reduced the whiteouts in their local areas. It ceratinly has where I live and I'll continue to gift and wave two merry fingers at those who don't want to accept that chemtrails exist or orognite works.

Thanks for that documentary I AM ALL I AM.

diamondgeezer wrote:
I'm also sceptical of chemtrails.
Can you explain a bit more about what you saw?

What I've seen concerning chemtrails is usually very heavy early morning activity, clear blue sky filled with criss crossing trails, etc. A few hours later a completely white sky. I call it the roof because I feel like I'm indoors. It's fucking horrible.

I don't know much about it tbh. Why are they doing it? To block out the sun? To modify the weather? Both? More?

Glad you've seen it for yourself, dg.

Despite all the 'facts', its one of those things you'll never be able to convince people of without them seeing it for themselves.

I don't notice it so much being in London and near an airport, but when last I was in the midlands for a spot, far away from any airport or flightpaths, it was pretty fucking obvious what was going on. About a week of next to nothing in the sky and clear blue all round, then two days full on criss-crossing resulting in hazy smog.

I'm sure its for our own good though, whatever is going on.

You can notice, even in places like London actually, if you care to actually look and not just take the white-out for granted. When there is clear blue showing (remember chaps, it is ALWAYS clear blue up there, just above the cover, though sometimes you wouldn't know it) just take a look at some of the 'con-trails' and watch how they behave. For me, a contrail is created then quickly dissipates.

Anything other than a contrail, will linger for several hours and spread to such an extent that it just ends up looking like another cloud, even though you yourself saw it coming out of the arse of an airplane. Like I said, needs to be seen to be believed. Even then though, many won't.

I would have so much to say on this, I will, but thats for later.. Thanks guys for bringing this up.. Last 6 months have been really nice here. Last two years though, crazy poisoning of skies. it seems that the chemmieprogram is not on full blast in Finland atm. Anyway, I'll get back to this later.

irrepressible wrote:
There are several theories and they can be running in parallel, but as I mentioned on another thread recently, keep in mind that Dr Strangelove himself, Dr Edward Teller, father of the H Bomb, Godfather of Reagan's Star Wars SDI Program, was one of the earliest and most influential voices regarding Geoengineering, which basically involves treating the whole planet and it's atmosphere as the payground of the military industrial complex. One example of what this means is that in the same year that the Van Allen Belt was discovered in 1958, the Americans exploded several nuclear devices in it. Here is a link to the 1962 tests that includes reference to 6 high latitude tests in 1958.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starfish_Prime

Edward Teller (Dr Strangelove) once the brilliant idea of creating a harbour by exploding nuclear devices. Again, keep this in mind when considering whether Geoengineering is really all about taking care of the planet and it's inhabitants.

The reason for chemtrails that has been discussed for decades now is "Stratospheric Dusting", supposedly to comabat global warming, which means releasing various kinds of particles, sulphur, barium, aluminium etc. mixed with jet fuel to increase the amount of trail left behind and ensuring the best and longest possible spread. This started being discussed in the 1970's and there many patents out there describing the various processes that are required to spray the particles and the particles themselves. Another key term in all this is ionization, that is, the charging of particles to ensure the rapid growth needed to produce the chemtrail rather than the condensation trail that would quickly disperse. It would be possible, for example, to modify jet fuel so that it contains more sulphur and other particles so that the fuel would burn dirty, which if ionized would increase in size and produce longer lasting trails. The aluminum particles can be used to reflect sunlight back into space, but some of the particles could also be used to improve the effectiveness of military communications and ensure total control of the skies.

In the past I often quoted the Ruskin College link to the Bush / Gorbachev Clouds Institute from the 1980's I think that contained references to stratospheric dusting / chemtrailing. It's rather sweet to think of Bush and Gorbachev being so interested in cloud making, again, surely in our very best interests.

So time moved on and in the late 1990's, when neocons elsewhere were drafting the Project for a New American Century that would call for a New Pearl Harbour to increase American acceptance of endless wars to spread US power, the US Air Force commisioned a paper with a title that really says it all: "Owning the Global Weather by 2025: Weather as a Force Multiplier". Note the use of global and owning, not influencing. Also the note that weather can be use as a weapon, although the United Nations ENMOD Convention of the 1970's expressly forbids this.

So basically, chemtrailing is generally denied, but every few months for the past few years, some institute around the world will push the plausible denial story of stratospheric dusting to combat global warming, and pathetically, each time the story is sold as if this were a new idea and the talk is mainly of balloons and primitive small scale testing rather than larger scale spraying as described and proposed in papers twenty years old and maybe older.

After ignoring (and ridiculing), comes plausible denial, and then the very obvious militarization of every square inch of the globe, which is contrary to the ENMOD Convention, but all sides are doing it.

Beyond the obvious and publicly stated military objectives come the black projects, which have unlimted funds; remember Donald Rumsfeld on the day prior to 9-11 telling the world that trillions of dollars were missing from the Pentagon budget. Money is no object for these people.

In the world of black ops lots of weird stuff is possible, including the use of unconventional aircraft technology that might just require a different mix up there in the skies, which involves positively charged ions that will lead to an increase of fake and shitty looking clouds as sprayed particles are ionized by radar, TV and mobile phone masts, satellites, etc.

There is also the possiblity of all kinds of nano chit being sprayed, morgellons for example, which would only be continuing the grand old tradition of western goverments spraying their own citizens with chemical and biological agents. The British government owned up to this when pushed by an MP, but only provided details up to 1978 I think. Since then we just have to trust them.

As Ab Origine wrote, most people aren't interested and will ignore papers, patents, etc. etfuckingcetera. It's a jungle out there in many ways, so make sure to take extra good care of your health if you can. People are pretty tough and adaptable. Look at the conditions in the slums of England in the past or those around the world now.

One question that often gets asked is "Why would they spray themselves?"

Answer: They did in the past. They also nuked the fuck out of the world in the 1950's, including the upper atmosphere. They've fired off depleted uranium rounds by the thousand. They built the nuclear power plants and very likely intended Fukishima to blow. Most of the people at the top haven't a clue what is really going on. That is left to a very small elite indeed, and you'll find that they are very, very keen on transhumanism: Humanity 2.0 which is intended to replace the current model.

If there's anyone still reading. Good night.

Hexhammer wrote:
It's always interesting to hear how different regions look over a period of time and what factors might be involved.

Thanks for that post Anthony65, very informative and also...holy shit I had no idea about all that at all.

It's scary stuff. Especially the transhumanism angle. So you think they're genetically modifying us kind of thing, with the chemtrails?

irrepressible wrote:
I don't know about genetically modifying us through chemtrails, but it's an angle worth investigating and sounds quite possible. Nanotechnology could very likely do the job. You'll often find that even the most outlandish concepts are actually being contemplated, researched and used... for our own good remember!

Transhumanism is a massive issue. One of the biggest in my opinion. We really are seen as Human 1.0 and redundant compared to Human 2.0 and beyond which will be genetically modified, probably chipped and increasing part machine / cyborg.

I've got a book by Joseph P Farrell on order: "Transhumanism: A Grimoire of Alchemical Agendas". Farrell is very good and I was planning to add his name to the Conspiracy Author section.

www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1936239442/r...&smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE

"The ultimate question is no longer """"Who am I?"""" or """"Why am I here?"""" It has become """"What shall we be?"""" Transhumanism investigates what may become of human civilisation, who is setting the agenda for a trans-humanistic civilisation and why. It explores our world in which politicans dare to become gods, genetically manipulating the seeds of the earth and the beasts on the fields, and claiming legal ownership over humanity by re-creating it in their own image. This is no conspiracy theory...it simply is."

I'll have to look at transhumanism in more detail Anthony. I've only really scraped the surface, well, barely scraped the surface.
This all seems to tie in with the "Digital Revolution". I'm of the opinion that we're heading for a digital fascist technocracy. I think 'they' have ambitions of completely phasing out physical media, etc. even right down to pen and paper.
These people above all else want control. And the transhuman will be infinately controlable. (If we allow it to get that far)

I've never really looked at chemtrails, although I believe such a thing is highly possible, because I don't see any conceivable way I can influence it one way or another, even if I had 100% proof.

wake_up_bomb wrote:
I was a bit like this wub. It's not until I actually started to look up that I got all the proof I really needed. As you say, makes no odds as to why its being done as there is literally nothing I could do about it. Further more, its probably way too late now, anyway.

That sounds a bit like Im giving up and maybe I am. However, I console myself that this crap was going on and has been well documented, waaaaay before I was born. So, I'm not the first and certainly won't be the last. Perhaps this is why some people just prefer to say "nah..." and walk away?

wake_up_bomb wrote:
I feel the same way, but one day at the park a few months ago i did see a big army jet doing circles possibly spraying.

But im not sure b/c chemtrails is one of those conspiracys im kinda 50/50 on.

Only time will tell, I just want to know who has to fly the planes.

It is too systematic, and at the same time too erratic to be "just" commercial airliners, because there is a regular schedule that those planes follow. We'd see the same things everyday.

I have great synchronicity with these things; my sister was sitting on the fence about the issue when one night we stepped outside at her place, around dusk, and saw 3 planes flying prallel, right overhead, laying those trails that become those long wispy clouds. She was also "gobsmacked". These planes always fly at the same heigt and you can see the detail on them, they are either silver or white. I saw an X in the sky the other day, and have seen grid patterns that must've taken multiple flyovers to create.

There weren't that many for a while, but they've been picking up here again recently. I've been meaning to take pics too -- I just think "I'll get 'em next time " .

wake_up_bomb wrote:
Sad but I tend to think the same way, there doesn't seem much I can do to influence anything by way of stopping it happening.
There are more & more people noticing them though. A small number of my pals see them. A fair few taxi drivers seem to know they're there.

Rewind wrote:
Thanks for the pics, that first one basically sums it up for me. One trail, followed by another just being sprayed out, running parallel, and you can't really make out the plane, but you can see it's not flying as high as a commercial airliner does. I don't know where you're posting from, but it's the same MO for these trails here in Southern Ontario. There is a consistency to how these things are sprayed, and the "clouds" they turn into.

I've got to take some pics on "spray day" some time

diamondgeezer wrote: See to me you're just talking about pollution there, not chemtrails or some wild conspiracy theory about the Elite trying to depopulate the earth, you've just noticed the absurd levels of pollution we accept as normal, and which will contribute to depopulating the earth.