The true measure of a man is not his intelligence or how high he rises in this freak establishment. The true measure of a man is this: how quickly he can respond to the needs of others and how much of himself he can give - Philip K. Dick.
The Free World Charter initiative was originally inspired by Jacque Fresco's Venus Project
We do support both Venus and Zeitgeist
Yeah I do too and I'm not afraid of it because I'm not programmed to make the usual jingoistic associations.
If 90+% of all the worlds problems are down to the economic system then surely we should be looking at it.
“Fascists are not human. A snake is more human.” - Hugo Chávez
The Free World Charter initiative was originally inspired by Jacque Fresco's Venus Project
We do support both Venus and Zeitgeist
Yeah I do too and I'm not afraid of it because I'm not programmed to make the usual jingoistic associations.
If 90+% of all the worlds problems are down to the economic system then surely we should be looking at it.
The venus project specifically.
Although I'm at a loss as to how they can prove their model without valid experimentation that would require large investment and who in their right mind is going to invest in something that removes money
“Fascists are not human. A snake is more human.” - Hugo Chávez
thanks, did wonder what the jingoistic part was too as im not sure what that is based on,
the venus project itself is to me nothing more than sci-fi communism, and the set-up itself leaves many questions, like why did he set up a for profit which took the majority of the money right into frescos back pocket, whilst having the non-profit barely having anything in it ?,
it has the hallmarks of a controlled version of a "free" society, as they would seek to push the economic system eventually anyway, as the old system has a finite life, so the venus [lucifer the morning star] project would be something that the control system would push for a later date,
The whole things stinks of sleight of hand in my opinion andyh, and they would only ever agree to it if they were controlling it and did not lose power, if they were they would come out-fighting immediately, also is the current economic system not resourced based anyway, which are almost depleted
also is the current economic system not resourced based anyway, which are almost depleted
The current economic system ensures that resources are controlled by a tiny percentage of people and ruthlessly exploited, and that those same people on the one hand limit their supply, and then conversely on the other hand want us to continually consume them so that they make money! The basis of a resource-based economy, or just not a monetary-based economy, is to actually plan to use what resources are available in a sensible way.
This is becoming essential due to what you mentioned; ie. they're running out. This is pretty obvious when you're dealing with finite resources! Yet if you even whisper very quietly that oil might run out one day, or that production might not meet demand in the near future, you get shouted down by the mainstream press (particularly in the States, in Britain they are more open to the idea) who are controlled by vested interests and desperate to keep the existing system going. We’re already turning food into fuel in order to keep this system going because the oil companies don’t want to give up their powerful position, and because they think that they need to keep making money.
Perhaps at one time, well probably at one time, money served a useful function of facilitating trade, but that period has long since passed. It is quite obviously a barrier to the freedom of the vast majority of the world’s population – 2 billion people live off $2 per day or less, yet it is probable due to the economic imperative that there are going to be less jobs in the future, not more – and we have reached the point where the concept of trade is almost meaningless because every significant industry is dominated by companies that you cannot compete with.
I don’t for one second expect to see any significant social changes in my life, I expect the existing trends to continue, and get worse. But it’d be nice to think that one day people will learn the lessons of how stupid we’ve been and continue to be.
The true measure of a man is not his intelligence or how high he rises in this freak establishment. The true measure of a man is this: how quickly he can respond to the needs of others and how much of himself he can give - Philip K. Dick.
thanks, did wonder what the jingoistic part was too as im not sure what that is based on,
the venus project itself is to me nothing more than sci-fi communism, and the set-up itself leaves many questions, like why did he set up a for profit which took the majority of the money right into frescos back pocket, whilst having the non-profit barely having anything in it ?,
it has the hallmarks of a controlled version of a "free" society, as they would seek to push the economic system eventually anyway, as the old system has a finite life, so the venus [lucifer the morning star] project would be something that the control system would push for a later date,
The whole things stinks of sleight of hand in my opinion andyh, and they would only ever agree to it if they were controlling it and did not lose power, if they were they would come out-fighting immediately, also is the current economic system not resourced based anyway, which are almost depleted
The current economic system is based on money and scarcity.
I have to laugh at how its called communism as every communist country I know of has money.
And btw, it includes a system of direct democracy, so if it has no money and it has direct democracy how can it be communism?
The worlds resources are nowhere near depleted btw, there are many sources of energy as yet untapped, thorium for example, geothermal is another.
The whole point of it was to examine what resources are actually available and then the best decisions to make based upon available resources.
It does still need experimental validation though.
“Fascists are not human. A snake is more human.” - Hugo Chávez
The venus project specifically.
Although I'm at a loss as to how they can prove their model without valid experimentation that would require large investment and who in their right mind is going to invest in something that removes money
the only things you need to know about the Venus project is
who will do the physical graft to build it?
who will loose their lives building it?
who will do the physical work of growing and producing food?
who will claim the right to govern?
who will be the administrators?
and who gets the penthouse?
or is the the darwinian principle of two types of people, those who are breed to serve and those who will be served, you will never know until you try it, but then again that will be to late.
Thomas Telford built a bridge, but I dont believe that he actually got his own hands dirty, in fact others gave him their hands
a world run in anarchy, but the good guys are the only ones who dont know it
The venus project specifically.
Although I'm at a loss as to how they can prove their model without valid experimentation that would require large investment and who in their right mind is going to invest in something that removes money
the only things you need to know about the Venus project is
who will do the physical graft to build it?
who will loose their lives building it?
who will do the physical work of growing and producing food?
who will claim the right to govern?
who will be the administrators?
and who gets the penthouse?
or is the the darwinian principle of two types of people, those who are breed to serve and those who will be served, you will never know until you try it, but then again that will be to late.
Thomas Telford built a bridge, but I dont believe that he actually got his own hands dirty, in fact others gave him their hands
Well try this on for size...
the only things you need to know about the world is
who will do the physical graft to build it?
who will lose their lives building it?
who will do the physical work of growing and producing food?
who will claim the right to govern?
who will be the administrators?
and who gets the penthouse?
or is the the darwinian principle of two types of people, those who are breed to serve and those who will be served, you will never know until you try it, but then again that will be too late.
Thomas Telford built a bridge, but I dont believe that he actually got his own hands dirty, in fact others gave him their hands.
See what I just did there? (besides correct a couple of typos)
The world is that way right now, what you're expecting is more of the same.
I certainly would if money was involved because there would be incentive for some to profit more than others.
“Fascists are not human. A snake is more human.” - Hugo Chávez
The current economic system is based on money and scarcity.
At its core are resources andyh or what else is gold,oil,food etc which money is used to purchase, the money is a iou, not the end product of the economic system in my opinion, that is resources and total control of them..
as for communism it is just that, as once again it will have those who dictate this lucifer-named utopia as they will not give a ounce of power away, and they will do what they are already doing which is sell a socialistic utopia, whilst once again pulling the strings and doing the opposite as it will be controlled, it is a "control system" idea[ the venus project] those who cling to it are entitled too but to claim you are not programmed then fall for something as glaring as the lucifer/venus project, then maybe that explains why you defend it so,
The worlds resources are running out, oil is very near hence why the explosion in alternative energies, whilst holding back on true technology that would solve it, as it will be used in my opinion, to sell "their" version of utopia...which is no different than they have done all our lives....speak peace, freedom yet do the total opposite...
And im still wondering where the jingoistic associations comes in ?
The jingoistic association is the one you just made.
You basically just described the way the world is right now, not as actually laid out in TVP, same mistake as justoneman.
You also make the same association with the word venus as having something to do with lucifer again another kneejerk assumption, that being that absolutely everything has to somehow be named in association with whatever its about, perhaps pyramid industries for something masonic lol.
The guy has been around for a hell of a lot longer than icke or alex jones.
Its only since 'peter joseph' and TZM arrived on the scene that you even heard about him.
Also you use the word utopia yet fresco himself stresses that such a thing is impossible to achieve, nor does he say that his model is anything that should be adhered to or stuck with in any way, in fact it should always evolve and adapt to conditions of its time and that would have to be an integral part of its design.
You have still to address the points I made earlier, not that you will because its obvious you haven't a clue what TVP is actually about.
I have already pointed out TVP's true weaknesses, chiefly it needs to be part of the economic system to begin with and it needs experimental proof, so it is relying on a flawed system to produce a better system.
Bear in mind also that the current system is what has caused just about everyone to get involved in this so called 'truth' movement which is nothing more than the class struggle thats been going on for ages anyway, rich v poor is as old as it gets. The rich are just sneakier about how they do it nowadays.
“Fascists are not human. A snake is more human.” - Hugo Chávez
The jingoistic association is the one you just made.
Where andyh ? i have no patriotism and have made no claim in my words either, i understand you are ex-forces am i correct ? is being in the armed forces not the most extreme form of patriotism, which jingoistic would encompass...yet why is that projected onto my words, as i have said nothing that ties me to patriotism whatsoever so what you define as jingoistic is beyond me
You also make the same association with the word venus as having something to do with lucifer again another kneejerk assumption, that being that absolutely everything has to somehow be named in association with whatever its about, perhaps pyramid industries for something masonic lol.
Kneejerk .... here is something as simple as wikipedia's definition, just because i express what i learn along the way of research does not entail kneejerk for expressing it andyh, also not all masons are luciferic.
The word Lucifer is taken from the Latin Vulgate, which translates הֵילֵל as lucifer,[Isa meaning "the morning star, the planet Venus", or, as an adjective, "light-bringing".a name, literally "bringer of dawn", for the morning star.
The guy has been around for a hell of a lot longer than icke or alex jones.
Its only since 'peter joseph' and TZM arrived on the scene that you even heard about him.
Again another assumption based on nothing that has been said, and you know nothing about me to express that, the arrogance and ego expressed by you however speaks reams
Also you use the word utopia yet fresco himself stresses that such a thing is impossible to achieve, nor does he say that his model is anything that should be adhered to or stuck with in any way, in fact it should always evolve and adapt to conditions of its time and that would have to be an integral part of its design.
Because if it ever did get to that point, they will shift the goalposts when they see fit once they have enough drones to accept and buy into it, but clearly i am speaking to the converted
You have still to address the points I made earlier, not that you will because its obvious you haven't a clue what TVP is actually about.
What i see about it has been expressed, just because it does not fit to what you seek to cling to does not invalidate that, as for direct democracy, who do you think controls direct democracy in switzerland ?....
democracy is a failure to any true freedom, only people who believe in those who promise hope & change would even consider it worthy,....democracy is in my opinion one step from fascism, and is easily manipulated,
here is quote from thomas Jefferson and he would know...
“A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.”
― Thomas Jefferson
I have already pointed out TVP's true weaknesses, chiefly it needs to be part of the economic system to begin with and it needs experimental proof, so it is relying on a flawed system to produce a better system.
That is how you see it andyh, but i see its true weakness as part of a control system agenda along with zeitgeist, the new age, the so-called awakening, the hippy movement, and every other movement, as they have been socially engineering and steering them all in accordance for "their" new age imho
Bear in mind also that the current system is what has caused just about everyone to get involved in this so called 'truth' movement which is nothing more than the class struggle thats been going on for ages anyway, rich v poor is as old as it gets. The rich are just sneakier about how they do it nowadays.
Again your opinion, mine is the social engineering of so-called awakenings, new age culture, the 90's rave culture that was steered and sold as a mini 60's revolution, which was also controlled and engineered, as it is to push us all into a new age and yes of lucifer.....the truth movement as they call it [which is usually the opposite] , is one branch of that, the venus project/seitgeist is another, for in my opnion, to catch those who would avoid conspiracies etc....it targets more of the mainstream along with that other controlled movement THRIVE.
And they are sneaky as they have been doing it generationally for so long the resource/energy game is rigged.
And i have to say, i cant say how disappointed i am to have read your response and seen nothing but arrogance and ego in place of true discourse, and on that note i shall leave....with a video of jacques fresco praising communism [2.52] for what it was 100 years ago...saying it now needs to be "radical" ..........
The jingoistic association is the one you just made.
Where andyh ? i have no patriotism and have made no claim in my words either, i understand you are ex-forces am i correct ? is being in the armed forces not the most extreme form of patriotism, which jingoistic would encompass...yet why is that projected onto my words, as i have said nothing that ties me to patriotism whatsoever so what you define as jingoistic is beyond me
I'll try and make sure the quote function works right to break down each response clearly, forgive me if bits end up in the wrong boxes
As for jingoism, it can be attributed to any form of patriotism, theres more than just nation states for example.
In this instance I'm referring to religious adherence to the monetary system even when the evidence clearly shows it has failed.
And its actually that failure which you have yet to address (which TVP does) that makes your stance 'jingoistic'.
Sorry if thats a bit OTT but I see statism as being about more than merely nation states, I see it being about certain cultural attitudes, religion and actually most of all money because todays money is backed by authority rather than any actual value as of and in itself.
The promise to pay isn't worth the paper it's written on, yet it is still taken as paramount over and above human life, in this respect money destroys the property value of human life which ought to be the highest form of property 'ownership' rights.
Kneejerk .... here is something as simple as wikipedia's definition, just because i express what i learn along the way of research does not entail kneejerk for expressing it andyh, also not all masons are luciferic.
The word Lucifer is taken from the Latin Vulgate, which translates הֵילֵל as lucifer,[Isa meaning "the morning star, the planet Venus", or, as an adjective, "light-bringing".a name, literally "bringer of dawn", for the morning star.
Yes that is a kneejerk assumption, ie venus=lucifer=something nasty about it.
Again another assumption based on nothing that has been said, and you know nothing about me to express that, the arrogance and ego expressed by you however speaks reams
Its the answers you're giving that speak volumes about you
More importantly about the questions you are NOT asking.
Do not assume for example that I am totally pro venus project as I am not. I am pro the general principle with some alterations.
As for the project name I really couldn't give a crap tbh.
Because if it ever did get to that point, they will shift the goalposts when they see fit once they have enough drones to accept and buy into it, but clearly i am speaking to the converted
Could you explain how it is possible for this mysterious 'they' to manipulate things at some 'certain' stage in a society with no money to bribe people, no incentive to do so and direct democracy!?
(You see now why think little of you in my earlier post)
What i see about it has been expressed, just because it does not fit to what you seek to cling to does not invalidate that, as for direct democracy, who do you think controls direct democracy in switzerland ?....
Recently the Swiss just banned minarets, restricted immigration and have arguably some of the wealthiest and well educated people on the face of the planet.
They still partake in the fractional reserve banking system like the rest of us ofc...that said they have like 1000x the power and life enrichment that any of us can hope for. Game over.
democracy is a failure to any true freedom, only people who believe in those who promise hope & change would even consider it worthy,....democracy is in my opinion one step from fascism, and is easily manipulated,
here is quote from thomas Jefferson and he would know...
“A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.”
― Thomas Jefferson
Well what would you prefer given a choice between dictatorship, democracy (as we know it) and direct democracy swiss style?
Let me see now...hmmmm...tough choice lol.
That is how you see it andyh, but i see its true weakness as part of a control system agenda along with zeitgeist, the new age, the so-called awakening, the hippy movement, and every other movement, as they have been socially engineering and steering them all in accordance for "their" new age imho
Yes I know you're saying that, unfortunately I can't see any evidence of that, in fact I can't see any evidence of it ever coming close to fruition let alone any kind of insider meddling which woud have to be mindbendingly complex given that the current system merely has to bribe people and in most countries it doesn't even have to bribe that many.
Again your opinion, mine is the social engineering of so-called awakenings, new age culture, the 90's rave culture that was steered and sold as a mini 60's revolution, which was also controlled and engineered, as it is to push us all into a new age and yes of lucifer.....the truth movement as they call it [which is usually the opposite] , is one branch of that, the venus project/seitgeist is another, for in my opnion, to catch those who would avoid conspiracies etc....it targets more of the mainstream along with that other controlled movement THRIVE.
What do you think paid for it all?
Again, game over innit. The agenda is with whoever had the money.
And i have to say, i cant say how disappointed i am to have read your response and seen nothing but arrogance and ego in place of true discourse, and on that note i shall leave....with a video of jacques fresco praising communism [2.52] for what it was 100 years ago...saying it now needs to be "radical" ..........
Yep and I agree with that video 101%.
The problem you're having is that when you see the words not radical enough you're perhaps envisioning not enough tanks and stormtroopers lol...
Communism was not radical enough because it still used money, it still had a dictatorship (which is basically what standard democracy is anyway) and it still made the same mistakes as capitalist societies make even today, which is a false value set.
People just don't stop and ask themselves what matters? What do they want to see the world as being?
Simple questions really and kids are actually better and asking and thinking about it than adults imho as they're not as tainted by the media.
“Fascists are not human. A snake is more human.” - Hugo Chávez
Confusion of language of good and evil; this sign I give unto you as the sign of the state. Verily, the will to death, indicateth this sign! Verily, it beckoneth unto the preachers of death!
Many too many are born: for the superfluous ones was the state devised!
See just how it enticeth them to it, the many-too-many! How it swalloweth and cheweth and recheweth them!
"On earth there is nothing greater than I: it is I who am the regulating finger of God."—thus roareth the monster. And not only the long-eared and short-sighted fall upon their knees!
Ah! even in your ears, ye great souls, it whispereth its gloomy lies! Ah! it findeth out the rich hearts which willingly lavish themselves!
Confusion of language of good and evil; this sign I give unto you as the sign of the state. Verily, the will to death, indicateth this sign! Verily, it beckoneth unto the preachers of death!
Many too many are born: for the superfluous ones was the state devised!
See just how it enticeth them to it, the many-too-many! How it swalloweth and cheweth and recheweth them!
"On earth there is nothing greater than I: it is I who am the regulating finger of God."—thus roareth the monster. And not only the long-eared and short-sighted fall upon their knees!
Ah! even in your ears, ye great souls, it whispereth its gloomy lies! Ah! it findeth out the rich hearts which willingly lavish themselves!
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