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Into the meat grinder: What does ‘education’ actually mean? 21 Aug 2012 17:13 #1

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blogs.independent.co.uk/2012/08/21/into-...ation-actually-mean/
Into the meat grinder: What does ‘education’ actually mean?
By Jack Foden
Notebook, Opinion
Tuesday, 21 August 2012 at 4:47 am

Okay, I’m stumped. Having sat down to define that phrase, I’ve achieved nothing but writers’ block, despite, at aged 17, being in the middle of my school career. Is education the obvious, sickening haven in which ‘friendships are made’, where we all learn to ‘overcome challenges’ and ‘set goals’- which, quite frankly, makes me want to gag; or is it the more realistic, yet dull, means to create a ‘better society’?

Surely there should be an obvious answer with almost 4 million students across England in secondary school? Yet, upon the simple question: ‘What is the purpose of education?’ dozens seem to collapse with incompetence, shuddering in confusion, or gawp with idiocy, realizing the answer ‘to educate’ seems absurd. Particularly as the current system does the exact opposite, but we’ll get on to that tomorrow.

Ever read Ken Kesey’s One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest? The metaphor of ‘The Combine’ seems to apply here- an evil, mechanical entity, consisting of every element of society and wheel of industry, from schools to hospitals, whose sole aim is to conform and standardise all. I find education standardizes and conforms us all through exams and that ‘equal’ school environment, to give that ‘equal’ chance. On that note, education supplies that initial chance in life by, well, educating us for the future, so that then, if/when you fail, the government can hold up their hands and say ‘We tried, not our fault’- the generic phrase towards most issues apparently.

These ‘skills’ combine to form the next generation, enforcing the forward thrust in economy, science and culture as we are ‘enlightened’ by knowledge to create that questionable ‘better society’ by replacing the retiring with the next load of fresh meat for the grinder- or some other nonsensical faeces we’re frequently fed.

Along with being armed with an array of skills- few of which will get you a job or teach you how to use the dish-washer (my mortal arch-nemesis) the fundamentals of law and society are established in most schools in a patronising, squeezed version. Yeah, like a miniature version of the likely abysmal society we’re to live in. Which is probably why we hate it so much.

Once you’ve been trained, judged through exams and stamped with a letter-based grade that tells one how good your regurgitation abilities are, the glorious education system then abandons you to the free world with a qualification for future jobs (whilst you are still ignorant of dish-washers).

If you embrace the opportunities, I must admit school can be enjoyable. It seems paradoxical, I know, but I guess it does provide insight into finding your talents, (whether it’s something useless like Classics, Maths, Science, Modern Languages, or PE, or incredible and essential like English Literature) and supplies direction for uni, and then, well, life.

And finally- I say this with a bemused grimace across my face- of course, there is The Monster. A twisted, nauseating infusion of Barney the Dinosaur, Thomas the Tank Engine, Bob the Builder and various other creations, that make up the majority of primary school teachers’ syllabuses and sayings, spewing yet more crap. The words ‘goals’ and ‘friendships’, in combination with phrases like ‘the Golden Rule’ and ‘Sharing and Caring’ haunt my childhood, in an attempt to euphemistically teach us the law.

Without it? Anarchy. As obviously Little George would punch Timid Fred (the Harry Potter reference was inadvertent) in a dispute over whose pencil is whose, and later become a raging, sadistic murderer without the discipline and enforcement. Education- saving lives, and stuff like that. We’re working from the ground up, people.

So that’s it, basically: a qualification-giving, skill-sucking, standardising void that spews nonsensical, cringeworthy crap. With an ounce of rage released, I may also admit it’s the foundation to society, and may instil some useful abilities, such as the ability to take in knowledge and learn.

Also, I suppose it does also give the essential basis to an opportunity for qualifications- something which although I despise, is indeed necessary- and amplify interests and enjoyments- English for me (the only way forward).

Still, I can’t use a dishwasher so I don’t really see the point.

I enjoyed this article written by a 17 year old so much, I thought I'd share with you all. Good, innit? :D
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Re: Into the meat grinder: What does ‘education’ actually mean? 21 Aug 2012 17:32 #2

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G'day Ab Origine.

Thank you for the share mate. :thumbup: It's a very well written piece.
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Re: Into the meat grinder: What does ‘education’ actually mean? 21 Aug 2012 17:33 #3

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He'd get my vote for class president...milk shake machine or not! :winky:
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Re: Into the meat grinder: What does ‘education’ actually mean? 21 Aug 2012 18:42 #4

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Would be rude not to throw this one in to this thread eh

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Re: Into the meat grinder: What does ‘education’ actually mean? 21 Aug 2012 19:04 #5

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Brilliant! :clap:

I'm proud and glad that I ditched most of my schooling :D
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Re: Into the meat grinder: What does ‘education’ actually mean? 21 Aug 2012 19:16 #6

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It's a pity that what they call education is incredibly dull, because it should be stimulating and something everyone can be passionate about.
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Re: Into the meat grinder: What does ‘education’ actually mean? 21 Aug 2012 20:50 #7

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The only 'necessaries' in education are, imo, the 'three R's'...reading writing and 'rithmatic.

Once you've learn't those basics, you have the tools to continue further educating yourself...our so-called 'education system' then becomes counter-productive.

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Re: Into the meat grinder: What does ‘education’ actually mean? 21 Aug 2012 21:59 #8

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I've probably posted these before but I respect (Sir) Ken Robinson to bits.
He's also quite funny with his delivery, which helps.




4 years later he continues.....

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Re: Into the meat grinder: What does ‘education’ actually mean? 21 Aug 2012 22:04 #9

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Do schools kill creativity? Sometimes, although my GCSE art teachers were pretty cool.
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Re: Into the meat grinder: What does ‘education’ actually mean? 21 Aug 2012 23:11 #10

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If you haven't already then google 'liberal education'.
“Fascists are not human. A snake is more human.” - Hugo Chávez
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Re: Into the meat grinder: What does ‘education’ actually mean? 22 Aug 2012 04:22 #11

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John Taylor Gatto is a learned eloquent critic of the present school system all over the world. In this interview he exposes the hidden agenda that makes most of us hate school. I have written a book, "Sluta skolan!", on my own experiences and views and I have come to the same conclusions as Mr Gatto has. He exposes the dark and terrifying machinery behind the scenes. Mr Gatto gíves us hope and tools to start dismantling this hideous institution. In my view parents need to get in charge of their kids' education in new loving and nurturing ways. Mr Gatto is a great inspiration for those of us who realize this.

In this 1991 interview, former school teacher John Taylor Gatto talks about the difference between "schooling" through public schools and true education. What really matters? Does "Schooling" as we know it today create whole human beings?

www.johntaylorgatto.com/
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This animate was adapted from a talk given at the RSA by Sir Ken Robinson, world-renowned education and creativity expert and recipient of the RSA's Benjamin Franklin award.
For more information on Sir Ken's work visit: www.sirkenrobinson.com
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Charlotte Iserbyt - Deliberate Dumbing Down of the World
Charlotte Iserbyt served as Senior Policy Advisor in the Office of Educational Research and Improvement (OERI), U.S. Department of Education, during the first Reagan Administration, where she first blew the whistle on a major technology initiative which would control curriculum in America's classrooms.

https://www.deliberatedumbingdown.com

https://www.americandeception.com



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Is Education Merely Indoctrination?
by Gary K. Clabaugh



Self-respecting educators would object if they were accused of engaging in indoctrination. But can they be sure they are not? How is the education they practice different? Can they even be certain there is a difference?

We can get clearer on this if we think about a real-world example. Consider the abstinence-only approach to sex education being pushed by the Bush administration. In this one-size-fits-all method, there is no comprehensive weighing of options. The only course of action educators are permitted to prescribe to kids with boiling adolescent hormones is self-denial—learning to forgo. Indeed, in some public school abstinence programs kids are pressured by their classmates to sign a pledge that they will remain virgin until marriage.

How is this relevant to any possible difference between education and indoctrination? Because the example calls some key principles to the fore.

The Centrality of Doctrine

Let's begin with this. Clearly indoctrination propagates a particular point of view—a doctrine. That's why one dictionary definition describes indoctrination as "the process of teaching a partisan or sectarian point of view."1 Another dictionary explains it more pointedly as "teaching someone to accept doctrines uncritically."2

The abstinence-only approach to sex "education" does in fact push a particular point of view. Is there any other way? Sure there is. In deciding what to do about their emerging sexuality, students could, for example, be encouraged to consider abstinence as well as its opposite—what we might call the "practice makes perfect" approach. After all, one possible benefit of engaging in premarital intercourse is that it affords individuals the opportunity to learn though experience, thus minimizing the sometimes-damaging fumbling that troubles rank beginners. But this approach, or any other of the numerous less-extreme approaches, is out of bounds so far as the abstinence-only approach is concerned. Instead, there is a party line, a doctrine if you will, that is held to be final truth. Abstinence is the only reasonable option prior to marriage, and that's that.

At first glance this approach might seem objectionable—too much like brainwashing. But how is it different from the way socialization is generally accomplished in school—the way kids are taught society's mores? Educators seldom lead a consideration of all options when they're dealing with bullying, or race relations, or "bad" manners, and so forth. Typically, when youngsters violate one social rule or another, they are simply told that their behavior is improper, rude, inconsiderate, or what have you, and that "we" don't do that. Typically there is no discussion of different options or points of view. Is socialization of this type indoctrination? Yes it is, if indoctrination is defined in the ways with which we began this essay. So it follows that a good deal of what educators do is indoctrination, particularly when it comes to teaching "proper'' behavior, and even more particularly when it comes to teaching that to younger children.

Developmental Considerations

No doubt a student's stage of development plays a key role in all of this. It seems odd to respect the student's sense of reason regarding moral issues, for instance, if he or she hasn't reached what Piaget calls the formal operational stage of reasoning. If particular children are developmentally incapable of considering a number of possibilities for a given condition, if they do not have the ability to think abstractly, if they can't recognize a problem, how much sense does it make to respect their sense of reason?

On the other hand, truly capable instruction sets up situations where children in the immediately preceding concrete operational stage (seven to eleven years) can practice developing their reason by ordering objects, combining them in classes, and so forth. In other words, far from disrespecting the child's sense of reason, the teacher fosters it and helps it grow. Shall we call that indoctrination or education?

Of course, it is true that, say, a first-grade teacher would be unwise to have extended discussions with six-year-olds concerning why they should behave in a certain way. But that's because it is developmentally inappropriate and not necessarily because the teacher wants to stifle their future personal authority or sense of reason. It's because of their immaturity.

The Student's Sense of Reason

What about the student whose sense of reason has reached the formal operational stage? Indoctrination devalues that. Typically it amounts to a "because I said so" kind of thing. Now, imagine a twelve-year-old in a Bible-believing church's Sunday school class. She has just been told that unsaved people go to hell, so she asks what happens to people living in remote regions who never had the opportunity to learn about Jesus. The teacher says that they go to hell too. The girl observes that this doesn't seem fair. The teacher tells her that she must never question the word of God—end of discussion.

It would be a quite different sort of transaction had the teacher permitted further discussion. And it would have been particularly different had the teacher eventually concluded that the girl's reasoning had merit and that such an arrangement might, in fact, be unfair.

A Matter of Authority

Note that in the situation above, the teacher recognizes only one source authority—the Bible. In addition, only the teacher's interpretation of that authority is permitted. Are those hallmarks of indoctrination?

Take notice that only one source authority is recognized as valid in that Sunday school. All competing source authorities are dismissed out of hand. Had the girl brought up a broadly recognized source authority other than the Bible, say the teachings of Buddha, she would risk being labeled a potential apostate or heretic. Shall we call this education or indoctrination?

It is also important to observe how interpretive authority is functioning in our imaginary situation. Only one interpretation of the Bible is permitted, that of the teacher. Now, suppose the girl accepts the Bible as a source authority but comes up with a different interpretation of what happens to people who, because of their isolation, never even heard of Jesus. She reasons that since Jesus emphasizes forgiveness and tending to your own sins, some other fate must await these people. In this class her interpretation does not matter. Indeed, in this class her sense of reason doesn't matter. She is to lay that aside as a dangerous inconvenience. Is this a hallmark of indoctrination?

Competing Views

One thing is clear about our Sunday school teacher. His instruction does not include any consideration of competing points of view. For him, there is one source authority, one proper interpretation, and one correct point of view. And when that is said, it's all said. Shall we call this education?

But maybe the example leads us astray. Let's consider a science class instead. Perhaps it fits all the criteria of our Bible-believing Sunday school class. Consider the matter of source authority, for instance. Are youngsters familiarized with the views of competing source authorities when scientific consensus is lacking? Does the teacher consider different interpretations other than her own? And does the student's sense of reason merit recognition, or is "because I said so" sufficient?

The fact is that a properly taught science class is the antithesis of our hypothetical Sunday school class. When scientific consensus is lacking, it is imperative that students be made aware of competing points of view. And to emulate the values in doing science, students are properly encouraged to develop different interpretations, because that sort of reasoning is central to science. Now, it certainly is true that science is often not taught that way. I recall my own high school chemistry class. It was taught more like a catechism than anything else. Periodic tables had to be memorized, equations had to balance, recipe-type "experiments" had to be carried out in a manner roughly equivalent to attending mass: but there was no science involved. Is that education or, more properly, indoctrination?

What do you think of these criteria? It's indoctrination if the instruction:

Devalues the student's sense of reason

Stifles the student's personal authority

Acknowledges only one source authority

Permits only one interpretation of that source authority

Treats reasoned disagreement as heresy, treason, insubordination,
etc.

Presents truth as final

Instruction isn't indoctrination if it:

Respects (and seeks to develop) the student's sense of reason

Fosters development of the student's personal authority

Recognizes (and presents for consideration) multiple authorities

Welcomes reasoned disagreement

Presents truth as tentative

So is indoctrination altogether different from education? That's a complicated question that can't be fully answered in this limited space. But in summary, it can be said that to the extent that education is involved in cultivating wisdom, indoctrination is utterly incompatible.

Notes

1. www.gssm.k12.sc.us/gssmweb2/English/invisible.html.

2. Wordnet Search 3.0, wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s= indoctrination.


www.newfoundations.com/Clabaugh/CuttingEdge/Indoctrination.html
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Re: Into the meat grinder: What does ‘education’ actually mean? 22 Aug 2012 05:24 #12

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Challenging the students' fixed beliefs? Their fixed beliefs come from their parents, who!, were taught the same thing - if you are the child of boomers.

Most, but not all, folks believe good school grades equals intelligence.

Thank goodness I met a regular, blue collar guy who taught me different, although at the time, in my youth, I strongly disagreed with him. :iitm: I was deluded.

Still, I regard reading, writing, COMPREHENSION, basic math, essential.
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Re: Into the meat grinder: What does ‘education’ actually mean? 22 Aug 2012 06:00 #13

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Just throwing it out there, nothing more:

In America, The Pledge of Allegiance to the (US) Flag started in 1942 for school children.

This was during the start of WII for USA. Did or does your nation have such? I'm interested.

I recall in Kindergarten (5 years of age) talking about the Soviet Union and how we were free to move about the country, do whatever we wanted, whenever we wanted and yet....those damn hippies were on the news wreaking havoc, acting ungratefully.

They turned into corporate ;leaders and politicians, by the way.

They also turned into feminists who who claimed women would run the country/world better due to a natural, nurturing quality. Women also had a larger pain threshold and could do things, in general more intelligently and held greater ethics and morals.

We're better at multi-tasking: 'Bringing home the bacon' AND frying it up in the pan'.

I witnessed, as a child, many sprained backs, broken bones, asking men-folk to do heavywork in the name of feminism, to think that we need each other and our Nature given attributes.

Ah, the 70's.

Growing up with a woman who was a strong feminist who was given (literally) a house by her father for one dollar on paper, who paid property tax, paid for cooking gas, relied upon her father for food and auto fuel, cigarettes, dental work, legal services, lawn mowing, roof repairs, pest control, monthly bills paid, paid for my taxi service to and from school, later then picked me up after school, then paid for bus service to and from school, I'd think she would have a different viewpoint.....but I could be wrong.

When I was in school, it was all about obedience; And I still have a hard time thing outside that box, though I TRY not to allow pop culture influence me.

A few years after I started school, they let the kids color outside the lines, in whatever color they wanted. Four years prior (back then), such was not permitted. Just saying how USA education was so fair weather in my youth.
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Re: Into the meat grinder: What does ‘education’ actually mean? 24 Aug 2012 19:47 #14

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Heard this on Blacklisted with Doug Owen:


Hilarious in a "not sure if I should laugh or cry" kinda way. :hahano:
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