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Re: the psycho need for poverty in others 19 Oct 2012 17:08 #41

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Schadenfreude

Sounds odd but I think it exists

Having lived in the "fairly poor" bracket, I had nnot been aware of this.

But I think it exists. A Schadenfreude to bolster the egoistic and emotionally crippled.

Rand was there to support this with her "theory".

The suggestion of cruelty and spite as an "instinct" really puts the cat amongst the pigeons imho


What do you think, folks?

I think one should call this evil.
I think it's material desires + false consciousness of human beings, (seeing most as objects, atomized, insignificant bit part players in "your world").

Basically i don't think there is a fundamentally negative drive as you describe, ie the desire to see others suffer that contributes to inequality, I think it's more a positive drive but extremely individualistic or elitist to accumulate wealth, material possessions, it's not a taking away to see others suffer, but more a taking for self to feather one's own nest, that's why I don't think a big change is needed really, if we were motivated along a more communitarian basis the material wealth held individually would go some way to alleviating extreme poverty.

Yep makes sense.Though if you grew up with one, and over the years watched them take and leave devastation in their wake, they flock towards others which are like minded and they stick together like glue, I have seen them leave people with nothing and die with nothing.
Saying that not evil, would be crazy
I'd say nobody is made like that and nobody is destined to think or act selfishly forever, if you want to define some aspects of human behaviour as evil you will probably always be able to find an example, 500years ago it might have been single females gathering berries in the woods, today it might be gangs of insensitive, self absorbed males, 500 years in teh future it might be people who use the words good and evil instead of the consciousness of love ;)
The mean­ings that are the most directly prac­ti­cal are the ones that are sac­ri­ficed: the fla­vor, aroma and touch are abol­ished to the profit of the delu­sions that per­ma­nently lead sight and hear­ing astray.
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Re: the psycho need for poverty in others 19 Oct 2012 17:39 #42

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Guevarista wrote:
MrsGood wrote:
Guevarista wrote:
mikey mikey wrote:
Schadenfreude

Sounds odd but I think it exists

Having lived in the "fairly poor" bracket, I had nnot been aware of this.

But I think it exists. A Schadenfreude to bolster the egoistic and emotionally crippled.

Rand was there to support this with her "theory".

The suggestion of cruelty and spite as an "instinct" really puts the cat amongst the pigeons imho


What do you think, folks?

I think one should call this evil.
I think it's material desires + false consciousness of human beings, (seeing most as objects, atomized, insignificant bit part players in "your world").

Basically i don't think there is a fundamentally negative drive as you describe, ie the desire to see others suffer that contributes to inequality, I think it's more a positive drive but extremely individualistic or elitist to accumulate wealth, material possessions, it's not a taking away to see others suffer, but more a taking for self to feather one's own nest, that's why I don't think a big change is needed really, if we were motivated along a more communitarian basis the material wealth held individually would go some way to alleviating extreme poverty.

Yep makes sense.Though if you grew up with one, and over the years watched them take and leave devastation in their wake, they flock towards others which are like minded and they stick together like glue, I have seen them leave people with nothing and die with nothing.
Saying that not evil, would be crazy
I'd say nobody is made like that and nobody is destined to think or act selfishly forever, if you want to define some aspects of human behaviour as evil you will probably always be able to find an example, 500years ago it might have been single females gathering berries in the woods, today it might be gangs of insensitive, self absorbed males, 500 years in teh future it might be people who use the words good and evil instead of the consciousness of love ;)

He was born that way, he and his associates spew out how consciously full of love they are and how very much they care about food the enviroment, human life, nature etc. I can not be to specific as this is now gone legal, but he was loved like no other, he used/uses his so called charisma to destroy,just one example he left his own father penniless, as did he others, a father who dotted on him, yet died destroyed. Not by being penniless, but due to how his son was exactly the person i had warned him for years about, and others too. Once he had destroyed his father he then ignored him till he died years later. I have so much on him and others he works with it is unbelievable the lengths they will go to be millionaires. They are truth cowards
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Re: the psycho need for poverty in others 19 Oct 2012 17:42 #43

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Are you Pamela Icke?
The mean­ings that are the most directly prac­ti­cal are the ones that are sac­ri­ficed: the fla­vor, aroma and touch are abol­ished to the profit of the delu­sions that per­ma­nently lead sight and hear­ing astray.
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Re: the psycho need for poverty in others 19 Oct 2012 17:46 #44

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Guevarista wrote:
Are you Pamela Icke?

are you
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Re: the psycho need for poverty in others 19 Oct 2012 17:54 #45

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MrsGood wrote:
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Are you Pamela Icke?

are you
Lol no funnily enough, it just sounded like you might be describing David is all :rofl:
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Re: the psycho need for poverty in others 19 Oct 2012 18:16 #46

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Thats good, and no i'm not into scaring dolphins, so i can't be pammie
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Re: the psycho need for poverty in others 19 Oct 2012 18:41 #47

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Gue­varista and mr Good

up a tree

k.i.s.s.i.ng.

i.n.g

first comes love

then come marriage

then comes a baby in a carboard cariage
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Re: the psycho need for poverty in others 19 Oct 2012 18:56 #48

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Dawny, you're funny. :roflha:
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Re: the psycho need for poverty in others 19 Oct 2012 19:29 #49

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There's a Mr Good :rofl:
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Re: the psycho need for poverty in others 19 Oct 2012 20:06 #50

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*Edit* Though, unlike some, I've no problem at all with people enjoying their wealth if it's been accumulated by honest endeavour.

I have never actually met people that do. :think:

Come with me, I'll introduce you to someone who did get their wealth through honest means...

Edit: "honest" depends on your view though...sometimes you gotta do the 'wrong' thing for 'right' reasons and I still think that's an honest way.

Sorry, but I meant that I have never met a person had a problem with people enjoying their wealth if it's been accumulated by honest endeavour
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Re: the psycho need for poverty in otherssould itn 19 Oct 2012 20:09 #51

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I've several family members who are workaholics - none of them 'rich' as such, but all on decent incomes. I hate the rat race, as it gets in the way of all life's simple pleasures, but if people put their hearts & souls into their careers and do OK out of it financially, all credit to them, imo. I don't feel they deserve any resentment for doing well.

Neither do I Gilly. I meant that I have never met a person who had a problem at all with people enjoying their wealth if it's been accumulated by honest endeavour
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Re: the psycho need for poverty in others 19 Oct 2012 20:24 #52

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There is indeed a Mr Good.....I've heard (on the grapwine) he's better and nicer than Mrs Good

EDIT: what the fook is a grapwine? that should have read grapevine
Last Edit: 19 Oct 2012 20:26 by dawnbreak.
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Re: the psycho need for poverty in others 19 Oct 2012 20:36 #53

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Can you introduce me then, he sounds wonderful
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Re: the psycho need for poverty in others 19 Oct 2012 20:39 #54

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No..he's mine so sod off :sorry:
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Re: the psycho need for poverty in others 19 Oct 2012 20:41 #55

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I understand
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Re: the psycho need for poverty in others 19 Oct 2012 20:57 #56

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he has nice pants.

MrGoods pants are nice ...oderless and stripey
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Re: the psycho need for poverty in others 19 Oct 2012 21:02 #57

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Yeah I agree he' :O s better than me
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Re: the psycho need for poverty in others 19 Oct 2012 21:04 #58

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Re: the psycho need for poverty in otherssould itn 19 Oct 2012 21:17 #59

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mikey mikey wrote:
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I've several family members who are workaholics - none of them 'rich' as such, but all on decent incomes. I hate the rat race, as it gets in the way of all life's simple pleasures, but if people put their hearts & souls into their careers and do OK out of it financially, all credit to them, imo. I don't feel they deserve any resentment for doing well.

Neither do I Gilly. I meant that I have never met a person who had a problem at all with people enjoying their wealth if it's been accumulated by honest endeavour

Oh right - I read it as your not having known anyone who earned their wealth honestly. :D

But I do think some people assume anyone with money is immoral etc - or at least,, they're jealous of them, so like to cast aspersions.
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Gilly wrote:
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I've several family members who are workaholics - none of them 'rich' as such, but all on decent incomes. I hate the rat race, as it gets in the way of all life's simple pleasures, but if people put their hearts & souls into their careers and do OK out of it financially, all credit to them, imo. I don't feel they deserve any resentment for doing well.

Neither do I Gilly. I meant that I have never met a person who had a problem at all with people enjoying their wealth if it's been accumulated by honest endeavour

Oh right - I read it as your not having known anyone who earned their wealth honestly. :D

But I do think some people assume anyone with money is immoral etc - or at least,, they're jealous of them, so like to cast aspersions.

It is me ho has to excuse myself: to posters of whom I have a lot of respect interprted my post the same way.

So my bad.

I do not doubt for a second that there are such jealous and spitefl people. And such people I suspect would, if they were very wealthy, be the type of people that I am talking about.

That is the wealth of others bothers them.

It does not bother me in itself, at all.

What I have is not compromised by what others have.

In fact it makes no odds (difference to me). At all.

I am fortunate that despite all my weaknesses, I am free of envy.

Thank the Universe

Never had it.

I am hoping I never will.

I hope i will never envy youth as i get older.

Not yet.

at least.

I take joy in others youth, happiness and pleasure

And I am not bsing

I really do

Its great

No, I am talking, all too often, about what I see as the impossible motivation of TPTB

Maybe i should stop trying to rationalise their condition

i.e. seek reasons

And accept that their condition IS the reason

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