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The abuse of the word 'liberal' 22 Oct 2012 10:26 #1

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www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-22210...sation-children.html

Can someone please explain to me how it is in any way 'liberal' to infringe on the rights of children?

Surely turning the clock back to the days when people could abuse children with no issues whatsoever or perhaps enacting sharia law would be a 'conservative' thing to do?

Why do these authoritarian assholes have such a brainfart when it comes to these things?

Obviously its because they wish to see a society dominated by control freaks who wish to get away themselves with the very stuff that Savile did. Or appear to be in the right when after all this time no-one in the power establishment said dicky shit about Savile until he was pushing up the daisies and then use the whole media circus event to push their own agenda.
More fear, more control.

The 'left' are not liberal.
The 'right' are not liberal.

Why even associate an authoritarian wing with a belief that doesn't exist within the political arena?
It really gets on my tits when seemingly well educated people abuse words in such a manner, particularly important words.
Lots of people seem to have read orwell and inferred nothing from it whatsoever...

They should take shakespeare off the f**king curriculum :/

Stick some bloody Shelley in there. :D
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Re: The abuse of the word 'liberal' 22 Oct 2012 14:56 #2

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The way the word is used has made it completely meaningless. It's even worse in America where everyone that doesn't wasn't to turn Iran into a parking lot is accused, derisively, of being a 'liberal'.

Aren't the Daily Mail skating on thin ice with the observation in the article? "The media constantly exposes children to displays of a sexual nature, whether implicit or explicit, such as pop star Rihanna". You're part of the media, and you do precisely this absolutely relentlessly every day!
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Re: The abuse of the word 'liberal' 22 Oct 2012 15:02 #3

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Results for ' all grown up '

You searched for ' all grown up ' - 14640 results found
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Re: The abuse of the word 'liberal' 22 Oct 2012 15:09 #4

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melanie phillips, the author, won the orwell prize for journalism. :rofl:
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Re: The abuse of the word 'liberal' 22 Oct 2012 15:18 #5

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The Daily Mail is full of shit as usual.
Ten years ago, a BBC documentary showed how 11-year-old children were preoccupied by fancying each other, snogging their boy and girlfriends and taunting other children who were holding back.

And their parents were complicit in this, telling their children such behaviour was ‘cool’. Teachers were also going along with it, discussing who was ‘in love’ with whom in their class.

The belief that sex was inappropriate for young children had vanished. As one mother said to her young daughter, sex should start ‘when you think it’s right for you’.

I don't know which parents and teachers they spoke to, but I have definitely never met any teachers and parents who think that it's appropriate or cool for 11 year old children to have sex.
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Re: The abuse of the word 'liberal' 22 Oct 2012 15:21 #6

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LesleyPumpshaft wrote:
The Daily Mail is full of shit as usual.
Ten years ago, a BBC documentary showed how 11-year-old children were preoccupied by fancying each other, snogging their boy and girlfriends and taunting other children who were holding back.

And their parents were complicit in this, telling their children such behaviour was ‘cool’. Teachers were also going along with it, discussing who was ‘in love’ with whom in their class.

The belief that sex was inappropriate for young children had vanished. As one mother said to her young daughter, sex should start ‘when you think it’s right for you’.

I don't know which parents and teachers they spoke to, but I have definitely never met any teachers and parents who think that it's appropriate or cool for 11 year old children to have sex.

That'll just have been a BBC employee being quoted I'll bet! :roll:
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Re: The abuse of the word 'liberal' 22 Oct 2012 15:25 #7

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That was pretty sharp Gilly, and also rather fitting that the documentary was made by the BBC. They might think that way, but normal people don't!
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Re: The abuse of the word 'liberal' 22 Oct 2012 15:29 #8

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wake_up_bomb wrote:
The way the word is used has made it completely meaningless. It's even worse in America where everyone that doesn't wasn't to turn Iran into a parking lot is accused, derisively, of being a 'liberal'.

Aren't the Daily Mail skating on thin ice with the observation in the article? "The media constantly exposes children to displays of a sexual nature, whether implicit or explicit, such as pop star Rihanna". You're part of the media, and you do precisely this absolutely relentlessly every day!

Absolutely!
The femail columns soft pr0n tbh... :D

Does anyone have that watson smirk at sherlock holmes gif? :)
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Re: The abuse of the word 'liberal' 22 Oct 2012 15:30 #9

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They're sleazes. The media are always portraying kids in a sexual way, even now. Look at how many years the likes of Miley Sirus has been tarted up on the screen, for eg, & she's still only a kid now!
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Re: The abuse of the word 'liberal' 22 Oct 2012 15:30 #10

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Results for ' all grown up '

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lol!!!
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Re: The abuse of the word 'liberal' 22 Oct 2012 15:37 #11

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oioioi wrote:
Results for ' all grown up '

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I heard someone talking about this on the radio the other day. There is an article about this here:

www.vice.com/read/all-grown-up-sexing-up...-with-the-daily-mail

The Mail is completely and utterly shameless, though.
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Re: The abuse of the word 'liberal' 22 Oct 2012 15:37 #12

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I quite liked this comment...
I always thought it was hardcore capitalists who had tried hardest to sexualize children - by incessantly selling them voluptuous dolls wearing skimpy clothes -and marketing make up to children -and selling songs about sex to children. (Or in the case of lady Gaga's videos stuff about being programmed by the CIA -or the glorification of murder or being in jail (telephone video)) -Surely most left wingers wear robust hessian undergarments and are too miserable hating on tories and the Daily Mail to have time left to sexualize the kids?

The last line really touched a nerve!
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Re: The abuse of the word 'liberal' 22 Oct 2012 15:40 #13

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Yes for me too Lesley, robust Hessian garments definitely serve a purpose.
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Re: The abuse of the word 'liberal' 22 Oct 2012 15:48 #14

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Knickers & outer garments would be sufficient, as opposed to bikinis & rhinestone spangled pigging thongs!
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Re: The abuse of the word 'liberal' 22 Oct 2012 15:49 #15

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I actually mean the other bit, but you're right, robust Hes­s­ian gar­ments do have a part to play.
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Re: The abuse of the word 'liberal' 22 Oct 2012 16:14 #16

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Gilly wrote:
Knickers & outer garments would be sufficient, as opposed to bikinis & rhinestone spangled pigging thongs!
i've never understood the appeal of undergarments but if i was to wear some they would certainly be robust and either hemp or hessian.
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Re: The abuse of the word 'liberal' 22 Oct 2012 16:35 #17

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I think they'd chafe & you'd suffer from friction burns to the cheeks.

However, it was specifically young kids on screen I was disapproving of the attiring of in rhinestone thongs. A big lad like you should wear whatever tickles your fancy.
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Re: The abuse of the word 'liberal' 22 Oct 2012 16:38 #18

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What's the name of that disease where hair grows in large amounts over your whole body?
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Re: The abuse of the word 'liberal' 22 Oct 2012 16:45 #19

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Guevarista wrote:
What's the name of that disease where hair grows in large amounts over your whole body?

Lycanthropy?
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Re: The abuse of the word 'liberal' 22 Oct 2012 16:53 #20

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What's the name of that disease where hair grows in large amounts over your whole body?

Being a bloke unfortunately, lol :D
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