dogsmilk wrote:
andyh wrote:
What would be better is if everyone had a decent enough a wage to pay for their own healthcare.
I dunno why ppl keep missing that. They're trained not to see it now though.
I think in any civilised society you should get access to medicine period. And people are by no means 'trained not to see it' - it's a myth that if you let the 'free market' run totally rampant everyone somehow benefits by a get what you pay for healthcare system based on the myth that if you abolish taxation everyone will be wealthy.
As long as the current system exists, I think it should be mandatory for all MPs to use the NHS with no preferential treatment whatsoever. They should be on exactly the same waiting lists as everyone else and go to the same GP surgeries.
Really bad things are coming into play in the UK. Like payment by results. Do not get me fucking started on that one. But in a nutshell, service providers are going to be forced to put their targets before the wellbeing of their service users - or they don't get paid. It's predicated on an assumption people who use, say, mental health or drug services are exactly like tins of beans coming off an assembly line.
What would be better is if everyone had a decent enough a wage to pay for their own healthcare.
I dunno why ppl keep missing that. They're trained not to see it now though.
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Correct. It is indeed a myth that if you let the free market run rampant that you would instantly create wealth.
This is because of the tabula rasa basis that anarcho capitalism works off- ie it assumes that everyone is starting the game with the same amount of money each and that they all work in their own self interests. In this way a monopoly can never arise because there would be no power structure to support it and anytime it is tried someone else would just undercut it.
However, we do not have a tabula rasa today, we have billionaires and they have immense power, to open up the market for them would only increase their wealth in untold ways.
Its also worth bearing in mind that you will never create wealth from a state that only milks the same wealth to pass on from its own taxpayers who are again not the upper class because they're not resident for tax and then theres the corporate personhood to deal with ofc
People need to understand and plan for both sides of this situation and come to a rational conclusion and that is simply that you cannot ever expect a state power to do anything but support its corporate cronies or swallow them whole and still shit on the working class.
People have to understand that for a good working democracy it must be direct, it must be well informed and they must value their freedom above all else to avoid tyranny of the 2 party corporatist/fascist/anti-economic situation they face today.
People will go to the desert and kill arabs but they won't kill politicians and bankers. If they want their freedom then this is literally what they must do. Eventually once docile enough the americans will hand over their arms.
There will be no solution from the system because the system is not designed to support dissent, arms are considered defense against each other, not to protect the constitution against tyrannical govt via militia....this was the whole intent of the founding fathers of the USA. Via media programming it has become something else. Just a 'right' or a 'fad' or a 'hobby' or 'protection'.
Its far more than that, the Swiss understand this, this is why they have so little gun crime yet are armed to the teeth.
Its why they are well educated in comparison and why they have direct democracy and we do not.
They value their freedom, they are relatively wealthy and do not have an immigration problem despite allowing people to try and move there if they so wish.
There is also the 'reality' aspect to tune into here, where is the money going to come from for all this social welfare? Right now they are upping the debt ceiling again and prepping for QE-infinity, people are broke which is why they need the welfare but if all this method ends up in madness then why do it?
Its not just the US either where we see this socialism failing and like I said, I believe it is by design. The population as mentioned in WUB's german pensioners thread is falling, the elite think long term, on the one hand they talk of overpopulation yet on the other in provate bilderberg meetings they discuss how to deal with a dwindling tax revenue and an increasing amount of pensioners.
Make no mistake, that is real and it is happening, we are seeing this greying population start first in japan and eastern europe but we will soon see this in Russia...China if it continues its one child policy is facing an incredible nightmare scenario but I believe they are authoritarian enough to carry out a 'Great Cull' just as Russia did in the past. They have the balls to do it and their population will do little to resist.
We are a divided people, each separated amongst our own kind and our own issues and we keep thinking if only if we sort ourselves out etc.
This problem is truly global and it involves everyone on this Earth. The bankers are moving in for total global domination while our governments are asleep at the wheel because they only think in 5 - 10 year terms of job with massive pension payoffs. Its always someone elses problem in their case and they are happy to pass the buck.
I approve of many of Naders policies btw, some of which cost no money, but a lot of it is just pie in the sky.
I myself consider how long the guy would live (seriously) and how long it would take to enact, and just what they expect all these corporations to do in the meantime, Ofc they'll just all pack up and leave.
Long term this is actually a good thing, short term I doubt anyone could swallow it anymore than anyone can swallow the hardship they need to undergo to get rid of the parasites.
