If you ask this same (OP) question on DIF most there would say Jews (Zionist) took over western media by the 80's.

You know, blame the media for violent programs that create wartime mindsets.

Not to say that the media is not to blame.

The media plays a massive part on where society is today and a very calculated and deliberate part too.

Therefore, whoever controls the media also plays a massive part.

Television, drug of the nations.

humanspirit wrote: Is there any state in existence without "powerful people behind it"?
Perhaps it would be interesting to see the level of involvement by the Vatican in the UN around this period 1975?

I think the Jewish people chased out of Arab lands and who already lived there.

I wouldn't call Jewish people "religious fanatics", I'd actually say the religious fanatics are more a minority in Judaism than any other religion.
Other than the Jews who lived in the middle east, homosexual and atheist Arabs, Arab women who have moved there and the Western world there are probably no beneficiaries.

I don't really know, is northern Ireland a good comparison?
Not really imo, it and South Africa etc are/were British colonies.
The British are far closer to the Monarchs of Bahrain and Jordan than they are any Israeli interests imo, they get far more out of their relationship with the arabs than they do giving the Jews a place to live.

humanspirit wrote: Oh yeah lovely folk those Germans during the 1930's I'm sure their intentions were pure eh?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from...and_Muslim_countries

I do find your original question very interesting though, the best thing to do imo, would be to find the key players in the UN around the time.

quick google brought this the story never seems to change:unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/9F4DA0F944A548AB852571470052C491
The question becomes for me why the Arab power interests of the time had such sway over the UN, and during this period who were the main players in the UN?

Isn't there a specific group of Jews who's sole purpose is to go through Wikipedia on a daily basis, changing the content to suit themselves?

I'm sure I've either watched or read about that a few years ago. Anyone know if that's right?

On a side note, I also find it odd that people link to Wiki as often as they do given that ANYone can edit the information at any time.

EDIT... found the link.

Mike wrote:
lol
The suggestion was that they played a part in the creation of israel, perhaps even a deliberate one and not necessarily any intention/planning on their part.

Get a grip :p

Mike wrote:
I can't work out what the Nazi government intentions were to be honest,on one hand they were willing to move rich Zionists to Palestine and on the other imprison and kill poor non Zionists?

It also becomes more complicated when you understand that American banks and Industrialists funded and gave technical Cooperation to the Nazi party.

www.reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/

I still find it odd that Siemens is involved in Israel?

"Siemens leads the energy market in Israel, with Siemens turbines producing more than 30 percent of the country’s electricity supply. Siemens Israel designed and constructed the first 5-MW photovoltaic solar field for the Ketura kibbutz in the southern part of the country."

www.siemens.com/about/en/worldwide/israel_1154627.htm

Siemens. Siemens took slave laborers during the Holocaust and had them help construct the gas chambers that would kill them and their families. Good people over there.

Siemens also has the single biggest post-Holocaust moment of insensitivity of any of the companies on this list. In 2001, they tried to trademark the word "Zyklon" (which means "cyclone" in German) to become the name a new line of products... including a line of gas ovens.

Zyklon, of course, being the name of the poison gas used in their gas chambers during the Holocaust.

A week later, after several watchdog groups appropriately freaked out, Siemens withdrew the application. They said they never drew the connection between the Zyklon B gas used during the Holocaust and their proposed Zyklon line of products. (Source: BBC)

www.11points.com/News-Politics/11_Compan...rated_With_the_Nazis

Nazis didn't want Jews in Germany...neither did Zionists.

oioioi wrote:
Or did Zionist's not want Zionist's in Germany but weren't bothered about Jewish faith people?

humanspirit wrote:
How is that a different question/point?

Have you considered the Nazis sent them there to be Pogrommed by the Arab dictators?
Is the distinction that clear cut?

oioioi wrote:
Zionism is a type of nationalism promoting Jewish faith culture and opposes the assimilation of Jewish faith people into other societies,it also advocates the return of Jewish faith people to Israel as a means for Jewish faith people to be a majority in their own nation.

If you come from a Jewish faith background you don't have to follow those rules do you?

humanspirit wrote:

(German) National socialism was a type of nationalism promoting German faith culture and opposed the assimilation of Jewish faith people into German society, it also advocated the extermination of Jewish faith people as a means for German faith people to be a majority in their own nation.

humanspirit wrote:
Initially the Nazis wanted Jews out of Germany. They didn't care where and they didn't care about Zionism beyond its potential to get Jews out. This was before the war in the expulsion phase. Jews could not be sent to Palestine after war broke out, Palestine being British controlled. The British were not keen on loads of Jews turning up. Notoriously, a transport vessel (the Struma) full of Jewish refugees sank after being refused entry by the British during the war.
Initially, the Nazis were not killing Jews, nor were imprisoning them (apart from a brief period when a bunch were put in camps, but then let out again - initially the (domestic) camps were for political opponents, some of whom of course were Jewish.) but instead were isolating Jews and stripping them of all rights. They weren't shipped off to Poland for slave labour or murder into well into the war, after mass shootings of Russian Jews had already been occurring for some time after the invasion of the Soviet Union. Killings started with shooting actions behind the lines and escalated incrementally.

humanspirit wrote:
I'd be genuinely interested to know what role in the gas chambers they had. The gas chambers at Sobibor, Treblinka and Belzec wre fairly makeshift and constructed by slave labour under SS supervision. The Auschwitz Kremas wre built by Topf & sons. Dunno exactly who build Madjanek, but it was just big camp. Chelmno was gas vans.

I'm not surprised in the slighest. It's like that IBM thing - what's the big deal? Corporations are amoral entities that exist to make money. If they can use slave labour for profit, it's 'acceptable' and doesn't hit their profits by bad PR or any kind of sanction they will. If it's socially unacceptable and they can't they won't. Many of ourr consumer goods are made by slave labour in the third world. They just don't call them slaves any more because technically they're free to quit and starve.

Regarding Siemens creating gas chambers i quoted from the website 11 Companies That Surprisingly Collaborated With the Nazis.

www.11points.com/News-Politics/11_Compan...rated_With_the_Nazis

Various websites claim this as fact,i don't know if they have proof or where they got the evidence from.

oioioi wrote:
Someone should frame this and post it to the ADL :p

andyh wrote:
I'd like to think I'm already on their 'mildly worth paying attention to' list.

A former G.M.P. officer who got to quite a high rank(!), and died in suspicious circumstances(!!), once invited me into his 'Panda car' for my part in some street theatre that involved me wearing a WWII German army shirt with an Israeli badge safety pinned over it, whilst re-enacting that weeks particular events in 'the disputed territories'.