I can see the positive aswel as the negative consequencies of groups like these.

www.facebook.com/groups/418854414871353/


The positives are that it informs parents who the abusers are .The negatives are that in could escalate into vigilante groups etc.


Any views?


From the front page of evening paper

www.nwemail.co.uk/news/south-cumbria-pol...14?referrerPath=news

personally I cannot support this sort of group. Child abuse is abhorent and sentences for those found guilty of abuse are far too lenient. However I am of the belief that once someone has served their sentence we must give them a chance to rebuild their lives in a meaningful way and that can never happen if their crime will forever follow the around.

Rapists, murderers, violent offenders etc etc etc a case could be put forward for all convicted criminals of violent/sexual crime to be named and shamed on the internet but that just is not a world I want to live in.

Having said all that I do believe that the justice system is a joke and far too many people who are still at risk of reoffending are released early or given community sentences.

I agree with almost all of what you say there Thoroux, except the the bit about once time is served. In the case of Pedophilia it is an illness which just progresses...the police know this, and by keeping said offenders in 'the public eye' so to speak means they can keep an eye on them. If people suspect there is a pedophile in their area, they are quite within their rights to ask for their list of known pedophiles in their area. My view is that the police are trying to get people 'on side' by having the public aware of who's who in their area and therefore an extra set of eyes and ears if you will.
So yes, the police were quite right to 'have words' and ask for the site to be taken down...it doesn't help them.

Jane

angelchemuel wrote:
The same could be said of many other lifelong criminals, politicians and bankers for example. Then theres the yobs who have a habit of stabbing random people for no reason whatsoever.
I don't see as much fuss over that crowd for some strange reason.

At times receive small cards in the mailbox with a sex abusers picture and a warning they are living in the community and the offense and age of their victim.

If they aren't run out of town they are looked on as evil trash and hated for their choice in life.

Personally I hate them, but still have basic a human understanding that punishment should fit the crime, but they for the most part move on or keep to themselves as outcasts in the community

So the cops response is "leave it to us"....well the public tried that, then they got Jimmy Savile for their troubles. As for the actual group, throwing in emotive language like "our children and our grandchildren..." misses the facts around child abuse, ie. it's most likely a family member. Given the current climate I can see why the group was formed, and as long as it's info is based on convictions I don't see much wrong with it.

oioioi wrote:
What type of punishment would happen to child abusers in your ideal world of Anarchy ect...

Are there prisons in a world of Anarchy?

.......... wrote:
How has punishing them worked so far? Did it eradicate paedophilia?

oioioi wrote:
So do you lock them away for good or let them be free?

.......... wrote:
Sorry, I must have missed the anarchist meeting where it was decided I was responsible for all aspects of crime and punishment and the only options available to me are locking people up forever or letting them be 'free' forever.

You can't fix a pedo. They will never be 'cured'.

My feelings towards these cunts and what I'd personally do to them are well documented around here.

angelchemuel wrote:
Yes agree angelchemuel once a sex offender has been released true they have served their time but is this going to stop their lust.

Roy Whitting had served his time a couple of times then went on to abduct and strangle a little girl.

foonclown wrote:
I disagree with the bolded part. There is NO amount of time that will EVER justify what that person has done to that childs mind! None!

Served their time my fucking arse.

I've met someone who perpetrated a sexual offence against a minor (not sure exactly what, just know they did something)

He has learning difficulties. Don't know full background, suspect something about upbringing or failure to understand stuff about sexuality.

People worked with the guy.

He's never done anything again, no suspicions, no accusations - it's been years.

He's really good hearted.

I think like many things it's not always clear cut.

dogsmilk wrote:

I obviously don't know for sure but I expect his learning difficulties play a part in what happened and what you've said proves that there are indeed exceptions to the rule.
However, the kind of people I'm refering to are the ones that can be proven beyond doubt that they commited crimes and continued to commit crimes. Same as the ones who go to prison and apparently are 'rehabilitated' into being a normal person again, let back out into the community, and go on to commit their atrocities yet again.
These are the people I'm refering to in this thread and these are the people that best hope they never meet people like me in real life.

The justice system systematically fails the victims. Who's going to protect kids if the system doesn't?

I know I'm starting to sound like some kind of serial pedo slasher but I'm not

Another problem you hear about here in America is when an 18 year old senior in highschool is with a 16 year old sophomore.

Then the 18 year old get's stuck being registered as a sex offender.

.......... wrote:
Don't agree with that at all. That's just taking it too far.

Underage sex/sex with a minor is statutory. So, if you do that, you have committed a crime.

Paedophilia is much the same but usually an adult, and usually attacking a CHILD. It's a complex situation, really - because many who faced paedophiles as children and were themselves traumatised and would kill themselves before they ever harm a child in the way they were harmed. Of those that do go on to abuse children, often they are thought to be emotionally "stuck" at the age the attacks happened to them - hence their "liking" for children of a certain age. That would indicate the age they themselves were attacked, and if we could scroll back in time and know them then, we'd have every compassion for them and want them well councelled to overcome their trauma.

Nonetheless, having attacked any child they must pay - so, prison it should be. And sex offenders' listed too. But, it's not enough to leave it at that. The "authorities" (as the failing herd like to be known) must keep a follow-up programme on these people to ensure that they are NOT posing any further danger; AND keep them in councelling; AND uphold any restrictions imposed. For life, if need be.

If they are simply turned out among us and left to attack again... well, people will take matters into their own hands, because to not do so is to leave their and other children and risk.

"Authorities" kid themselves that they can do as little as possible and save money (their biggest concern), and that the faceless people will just trot along tamely and accept it all. But they won't. They will have been "forced" (by the very people who like to call themselves "authorities") into taking matters into their own hands.

*shrugs* One way or another, I'll go along with whichever way keeps the children safe.

Excellent post!

Just been chatting to one of the admins on that site who says the police have been coming round to his house constantly demanding the site be shut down because facebook wont get rid of it.

The admin told me the police told him there is only 16 people on the sex offenders register so not much of a big issue .This is because people serve the time on the register or else a few of them have been challenging the court of human rights to free themselves from the register. If they are not on the register how can they be monitored?