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Just saw thor's new avatar .... :pmsl:

I'd like to compliment her on her new avatar too... because she's worth it...

:gmc:

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Hugo, just to be clear YMCA saunas in the US are for both males & females and place to find people ranting about war politics.

But i did a google search of "blue oyster bar" and did find humor in your post... :yupgrin:
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I would not necessarily agree that those who prescribe to conspiracy theories are 'poor' but I do believe that certain theories are more attractive to those who are poor due to them offering an alternative. Those who are happy in their lives and with their lot tend not to explore avenues for change that would benefit others rather then themselves. That is not to say that there are not exceptions.

Agreed on the whole,
I've stroked my bearded chin a few times & I'm still not quite sure what you mean by that above... can you elaborate about which theories you think are more attractive to the poor etc just out of curiosity? :)

I personally agree 100% with thoreau here and i can't understand what your still not quite sure about Space Bandit?

The most conspiracy dialogue your going to get from someone working 50 hours a week making 70-100k per year is that George Bush was wrong for going back into Iraq to finish his dad's job. And Dick Cheney was wrong for making Haliburton extra rich.
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I would not necessarily agree that those who prescribe to conspiracy theories are 'poor' but I do believe that certain theories are more attractive to those who are poor due to them offering an alternative. Those who are happy in their lives and with their lot tend not to explore avenues for change that would benefit others rather then themselves. That is not to say that there are not exceptions.

Agreed on the whole,
I've stroked my bearded chin a few times & I'm still not quite sure what you mean by that above... can you elaborate about which theories you think are more attractive to the poor etc just out of curiosity? :)

I personally agree 100% with thoreau here and i can't understand what your still not quite sure about Space Bandit?

The most conspiracy dialogue your going to get from someone working 50 hours a week making 70-100k per year is that George Bush was wrong for going back into Iraq to finish his dad's job. And Dick Cheney was wrong for making Haliburton extra rich.

Now you're just making stuff up to fit your view! :D

Here is a list of theories commonly known as 'conspiracy theories' (cringe)
I don't think how much money people have precludes anybody from believing in any of the below... and there's no way you could ever know unless you did a survey of everybody or started reading people's minds!
Scientific conspiracy theories

The Codex Alimentarius is a plan to poison us all.
It is only a matter of time before "they" start implanting RFID chips in humans.[1] (As described in the movie Conspiracy Theory starring Mel Gibson.)
The Moon Landing was a hoax.
All scientists are trying to foist the false theory of Evolution on the public at the behest of Satan.
Global warming is a hoax created by the UN and politically funded scientists/environmentalists, aided by Al Gore and many others to put cap and trade in place for monetary gain. See also: Climategate.
AIDS was created by the CIA and deliberately spread by the WHO via polio inoculations in Africa, to reduce the world population.
All scientists and politicians are trying to cover up:
cold fusion.
that AIDS is not caused by HIV infection.
that mercury in the vaccines is causing autism.
The United States is hiding UFO wreckage at Area 51.
The UFO wreckage theory is used as a smokescreen by the government to cover up the fact that Area 51 is a testing ground for experimental aircraft.
The United States Department of Defense (DOD) is experimenting with:
ELF (Extremely Low Frequency) for communications and possibly mind control.
HAARP (High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program) for possible use in "weather control" as a weapon.
Green M&Ms (or in Canada, Smarties) contain aphrodisiacs.[2]
The "Scalar Interferometer" is a powerful scalar wave superweapon that the Soviet Union used for years to modify weather in the rest of the world. See [1], [2]. It taps the quantum vacuum energy, using a method discovered by T. Henry Moray in the 1920s. It may have brought down the Columbia spacecraft [3]. See also [4].
Water fluoridation is part of an insidious Communist plot to sap and impurify our precious bodily fluids.
The "Russian woodpecker" over-the-horizon radar signals heard on shortwave radio are actually a Soviet mind control experiment. You can protect your brain by wearing you-know-what.
The Earth is hollow, with a hole to the "underworld" located in the Arctic regions, protected by the world's superpowers, or flat, with an army of supersoldiers guarding the ice wall around the outside.
The mass die-offs of honeybees are attributable to megacorporation's desire to control the food supply.
The US government is operating a Stargate program and that the Iraq War may have been caused because Saddam Hussein had one.[3]
That ample evidence of alien life and civilization exists in our solar system, but is covered up by NASA. See Mars Anomaly Research.
Gravity -- the biggest conspiracy of them all. The only way to defy it, is for everyone to stop believing it. That's why birds can fly, no bird believes in it.
Revolutionary free energy technology is being suppressed by governments and the oil industry.
It is possible to power a normal car with plain water.
Similarly, big oil and big science are conspiring to cover up methods of generating abiotic oil.
The "cure" for cancer actually exists but is being suppressed by the government.
The vaporous contrails left by commercial jets flying through cold air pockets are actually chemtrails which disperse some form of harmful chemical/biological agent/energy.

[edit] Terrorist conspiracy theories

The government is minimizing the involvement of up to 17 men besides Terry Nichols and Timothy McVeigh in the OKC bombing, said men likely to be government informants and/or provocateurs.[4]
9/11 was staged by the US Government.
9/11 was staged by the Israeli government.
9/11 was staged by the Illuminati.
9/11 was staged by the Rothschilds.
JFK jet fuel and other maladroit "terrorism" attempts are conspiracies
World Trade Center Building 7 was purposely detonated by Them to prevent discovery of secret plans for something-or-other.
The Pentagon was not hit by an aircraft on 9/11, but a US missile.
The 2009 swine flu outbreak is a terrorist attack.
Osama bin Laden is not dead / has been dead for long / is an invention of the American government.
Anders Behring Breivik was secretly a pawn of the Islamists/Jews/Masons/(insert bogeyman here).

[edit] Criminal conspiracy theories

J. Edgar Hoover was blackmailing important people in the US Government to keep his job as head of the FBI.
...and was, himself, being blackmailed by the Mafia not to investigate organized crime.
Jimmy Hoffa was killed by the Mob and buried in an unknown location[5]
Al Capone was behind the Saint Valentine's Day massacre.

[edit] Political conspiracy theories

The Nazis themselves set the Reichstag fire.[6]
The Nazis are everywhere
The Republicans used legal chicanery and fraud to win the 2000 U.S. Presidential Election.
And the 2004 one.
And they tried but failed in in 2008.
That they tried and managed to do it.
And they'll try it again in 2012.
And failed.
Election (insert country and date here) was rigged by (insert political party here).
That a group of "community organizers" called ACORN stuffed the ballot boxes for Obama in 2008.
Hitler did not commit suicide in 1945, and escaped to South America
The CIA experimented on individuals with LSD without the subjects knowledge in a project known as Project MKULTRA. (This one's true, BTW)[7]
Former U.S. Vice President Richard B. "Dick" Cheney ordered Scooter Libby to expose Valerie Plame as an undercover CIA officer.
JFK was not killed by Lee Harvey Oswald, acting alone.
Malcom X was killed by government agents (Not technically true, although the FBI had infiltrated the Nation of Islam)
JFK was killed at the behest of Lyndon Johnson, or Richard Nixon, or the Mafia, or the Communists, or the Vatican, or...
RFK was not killed by Sirhan Sirhan, acting alone, or that Sirhan Sirhan was brainwashed into killing Kennedy.
Martin Luther King Jr. was not killed by a lone gunman, either.[8]
Mark Twain was the mastermind of the assassination of William McKinley.
John Hinckley, Jr. had been brainwashed into trying to assassinate Ronald Reagan, at the behest of George Herbert Walker Bush. This attempt to kill Reagan and let Bush step in failed, though by a very small margin. Alternately, it was to bolster Reagan's popularity (although he was already), and set Bush up to succeed him possibly.
Bush deliberately lied to get the US to invade Iraq. (As opposed to being simply incompetent.)
President Dwight D. Eisenhower, Allen Dulles and Chief Justice Earl Warren were all Communist agents[9]
The Reagan campaign made a deal with the Iranian government not to release the hostages until after Reagan was elected President.
Roosevelt intentionally goaded Japan into war pursuant to a strategy outlined in the McCollum Memo.[10]
Roosevelt knew about the Pearl Harbor attack in advance, and let it happen.
Bush et al. knew about the 9/11 attacks in advance. and let them happen.
Gary Webb was suicided by the CIA and/or drug interests. Gary Webb wrote about the CIA and the crack cocaine epidemic, and his death by multiple gunshots to the head was ruled a suicide.[11]
Bill and Hillary Clinton had 50 people murdered, and got off scot-free.[12]
The Republican Party has been infiltrated by subversives.[13] (This one isn't so crazy, if you assume "the subversives" are the ones trying to subvert the American traditions of Separation of Church and State, Science, the social safety net, democracy, and anti-authoritarianism. If you think they're the Godless Communists(tm)...it's kinda kooky.)
The whole world is run by a group trying to create some form of New World Order.
The leaders of the US, Mexico, and Canada are conspiring to merge all three countries into the North American Union and adopt the Amero as a common currency, for... some reason.
FEMA is on the brink of dissolving the US government and shipping all of the country's undesireables to concentration camps for slaughter or deprogramming.
That Lincoln was killed by a Jesuit conspiracy[14]
United States flags which have gold trim around them represent a different country, or are an attempt by the Jews/Masons/bankers/etc. to destroy American sovereignty.[15] Also argued by tax protesters to signal that a court is under maritime law, a common argument in pseudolaw.
The United Nations is a conspiracy by Them to eliminate and invade sovereign nations with 'peacekeeper' troops to create a World Government/New World Order.
The United Nations is secretly bringing white UN military vehicles into the USA to overthrow the Government[16]
Thousands of Chinese troops are massing on the Mexican border to invade the USA.[17]
Hurricane Gustav was created by NOAA (an obscure, hidden branch of it) as an excuse to keep the Pretender and his Boss away from the GOP National Convention because __________________________________ (fill in the blank) [18]
The CIA is shipping prisoners to other countries to have them tortured. There's evidence for this one.
Oh, wait—they've admitted to this one.
The entire left wing movement as it exists today is run by Moveon.Org and the DailyKos, and is funded by George Soros.
The swine flu outbreak of 2009 was engineered by the American government, with the eventual aim of declaring martial law, herding everyone into FEMA concentration camps, and forcibly vaccinating people with the virus in order to deliberately depopulate the Earth so that the masterminds of the New World Order can take control.
A vast number of American institutions are working together to "turn America into an amoral, humanist country, ripe for merger into a one-world socialist state". At least according to the book Mind Siege.
The spoof book Report from Iron Mountain is real, and government plans on instituting slavery, eugenics, population control, staged UFO and environmental crises, etc. in the event of world peace, because it believes the social functions served by warfare will have to be replaced with substitutes lest society collapse if there is peace.
The fall of the Eastern bloc is in most part due to Western involvement and propaganda (popular among nostalgics of the Soviet bloc).
There's a conspiracy against Dominique Strauss-Kahn, ex-head of the IMF.
Gays want to take over the country and recruit our children.
Gun control is a tool to prevent population from revolting against the government.
The Aurora and/or Sandy Hook massacres were US government hoaxes calculated to create an atmosphere in which gun control legislation could be introduced. The eye-witnesses who spoke to media were actually "crisis actors".
Atheists/Muslims/Religious minorities want to oppress Christians.
TWA Flight 800 was shot down by the Navy/Air Force/CIA/Other agency with an acronym.
The statue of Liberty was built by French Freemasons to secretly represent Lucifer

[edit] Economic and business conspiracy theories

The world is secretly ruled by the Rothschild family, who are a family of extremely successful and powerful bankers. (See Rothschild banking family of England at Wikipedia) The evidence? They're Jewish!
Oil companies are deliberately suppressing better car technology.
Oil companies, Dick Cheney, and George Bush conspired to invade Iraq to take over their oil. (Obviously this is false and they really did want to save the world from Saddam Hussein's WMD's.)
Shortly before 9/11, many individuals or institutions with prior knowledge shorted airline stocks and made a fortune.
The Federal Reserve deliberately causes inflation and recessions.
British candy names differed from US candy names in order to trick American tourists into buying the wrong thing.
British candy names were changed to match US candy names in order to trick Britons into buying the wrong thing.
That the Coca-Cola company intentionally changed the formula of its marquee product with the intent of trying to boost sales for the "real thing."
The corporations are secretly but deliberately planning to kill us all.
The Second Bush Iraq War is really about getting oil for China so that the Chinese can ship cheap goods to Wal-Mart.
Monsanto Company is secretly maneuvering to control the world's food supply using GMOs (genetically modified organisms).
That there's a secret banking system even more profitable than hedge funds that only the rich have access to, but if you know the right people and pool your assets, you can make massive amounts of cash...
Big businesses and politicians are in league to increase the number of prisoners in the US to make a profit. (Again some evidence for this) [19]

[edit] Religious conspiracy theories

There is a huge, organized conspiracy to commit the Satanic ritual abuse and murder of small children.
The Dead Sea Scrolls have been deliberately suppressed because they reveal a lost truth about Jesus.
Jesus was actually married to Mary Magdalene...
...and they had kids...
...and the Knights Templar are still around and trying to prevent people from finding out.
The Jews secretly run everything (the international Jewish conspiracy).
The Jews were behind the 9/11 attacks.
The Catholic Church secretly runs everything.
The Catholic Church was behind the 9/11 attacks.
The Catholic Church conspire to cover up instances of paedophilic abuse of children by priests. Remember, conspiracy theories need not always be false.
The Masons secretly run everything.
...including the Roman Catholic Church.
...and they designed the street layout in Washington, D.C. to put the city under Satanic control.
That all modern secret societies are branches of a single, ancient society called the "Brotherhood of the Snake."
The Capitol Of Nebraska building is the ritual center for Satanic rites, the proof for this including the number of penises that can be discovered in the art work.[20]
Biblical longevity is apparently a conspiracy theory about something or other.
The Vatican assassinated Pope John Paul I.

[edit] Popular culture conspiracy theories

That Elvis Presley is not dead and is living under the name "John Burrows."
That the Queen and/or the Duke of Edinburgh ordered Princess Diana murdered by MI6 because she was pregnant with Dodi Fayed's child and was about to convert to Islam.
That O.J. Simpson did not kill his ex-wife and her boyfriend and that there is a "real killer."
That the "Men in Black" are real.
That Tupac Shakur was not murdered, and he is living in Cuba under the name "Jamal Millwood;" or that the Illuminati had Tupac murdered for some reason.[21]
Rapper DMX is currently being "destroyed" by the Illuminati for turning to Christianity and for releasing Christian-themed songs[22].
That Michael Jackson faked his death.[23]
Jim Morrison faked his death.
Pro wrestling is real.
Paul McCartney is dead and was replaced by a look-alike.
The Earl of Oxford/Francis Bacon/Queen Elizabeth/Christopher Marlowe wrote the plays and poems attributed to Shakespeare of Stratford, who was just a front-man.
Andrew W.K. is more than one person. May be Luciferian in nature and tied to many occult movements. [24]
The NFL is an Illuminati created distraction because the founder was a Skull & Bones member.

[edit] Just plain whacko conspiracy theories

The Royal Family of England, along with the Bushes, the Clintons, and many other rich, prestigious families, are actually man-eating shapeshifting lizard-people from the fourth dimension.[25]
That the above conspiracy theory was invented by another conspiracy to discredit the "true" conspiracy theorists.
That the 2012 Olympic games in London were to be used by the New World Order to hoax an alien invasion, implementing a single world government while the populace was distracted. [26]
The Royal Family of England, along with the Bushes, the Clintons, and many other rich, prestigious families, are part of a massive multi-generational conspiracy to...well, it's not clear, but it involved switching from a 432 Hz "A" to a 440 Hz "A".[27]
A Yiddish secret society called Goy Cabal is using Wikipedia as part of a plan to dominate the world.
There Is A Cabal
There is NOT a Cabal.
Barack Obama is a secret closet Muslim from Hawaii who was synthesized in Kenya for the purpose of ______ (fill in the blank).
Barack Obama and Osama bin Laden are the same person.
Conservapedia is an encyclopedic resource for home-schoolers.
Conspiracy theories are actually a conspiracy, and all conspiracy theorists are part of an organism that wants to create paranoia and fear in the people so they can be easily manipulated.

[edit] Miscellaneous conspiracy theories

Holocaust denial
The belief that an army of can openers are working with Chinese goat-botherers to crackle every fact tag in existence.
Stanley Kubrick was secretly a member of the Illuminati and devoted his entire career to hiding clues of their existence in his films, eventually getting assassinated after he crossed the line with his last film Eyes Wide Shut.

[edit] Films on conspiracy theories

Anonymous
Any film made by Alex Jones
Conspiracy Theory
Executive Action
J.F.K.
Loose Change
Sneakers
The Arrivals
The Tanos Conspiracy
Thrive
War By Deception
Zeitgeist

[edit] Top ten conspiracy theories in the UK

An on-line poll carried out by 20th Century Fox prior to the release of an "X-Files" film in 2008[28] claimed that the following were the top ten conspiracy beliefs in the UK.[29]

Area 51 exists to investigate aliens (48%)
9/11 was orchestrated by the US government (38%)
Apollo landing was a hoax (35%)
Diana and Dodi were murdered (32%)
The Illuminati secret society and masons are trying to take over the world (25%)
Scientologists rule Hollywood (17% )
Barcodes are really intended to control people (7%)
Microsoft sends messages via Wingdings (6%)
US let Pearl Harbor happen (5%)
The world is run by dinosaur-like reptiles (3%)

It has been suggested that the results may have been influenced by Fox's marketing campaign.[30]

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Answer me this then, how many people in the 100K per year range do you know that are immersed in the conspiracy culture?

I'm not talking about someone who watched loose change on Netflix and thought for a week that 9/11 is kinda shady.

I'm talking about people who use forums like us and are waiting day by day for change and really follow world events.

Plus someone working 50 hours per week with plenty of extra money to have fun each weekend won't have much time for this stuff.
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Answer me this then, how many people in the 100K per year range do you know that are immersed in the conspiracy culture?

I'm not talking about someone who watched loose change on Netflix and thought for a week that 9/11 is kinda shady.

I'm talking about people who use forums like us and are waiting day by day for change and really follow world events.

Plus someone working 50 hours per week with plenty of extra money to have fun each weekend won't have much time for this stuff.

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Answer me this then, how many people in the 100K per year range do you know that are immersed in the conspiracy culture?

I'm not talking about someone who watched loose change on Netflix and thought for a week that 9/11 is kinda shady.

I'm talking about people who use forums like us and are waiting day by day for change and really follow world events.

Plus someone working 50 hours per week with plenty of extra money to have fun each weekend won't have much time for this stuff.

Is Icke not the conspiracy king with a big wedge of cash from it? It's irrelevant how many people I know because there's billions of other people in the world who might know different !
Why do you feel the need to qualify people by placing limitations of whether they're a conspiracy theorist or not?
People could believe any or all of the above and have never been near a forum..... that doesn't stop them being a conspiracy theorist. (cringe)
There were a few people on Icke's forum who claimed to be loaded & loved conspiracies... and I'm going to make a sweeping generalisation & say that rich folks kids are likely candidates for conspiracy because they don't do anything except for live off mummy & daddy's stash & piss about on the internet! Prove me wrong! :D
I mean, should we go onto every conspiracy website and run a poll to find out how much cash people are on to try to get a realistic idea?
I don't think it's feesable to make such an assertion just based on your own perspective.
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Space Bandit you make some good points and i admit to making generalisations sometimes which i'm pretty accurate with.

But you must admit that using :ickemullet is an unfair example considering that he is making money off conspiracy theory.

And i'm not even saying he is wrong for making that money because he needs to travel in different countries do his work.
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Space Bandit you make some good points and i admit to making generalisations sometimes which i'm pretty accurate with.

But you must admit that using :ickemullet is an unfair example considering that he is making money off conspiracy theory.

And i'm not even saying he is wrong for making that money because he needs to travel in different countries do his work.

I reckon Icke believes in his stuff though so that's more the point.
Robbie Williams... Charlie Sheen... they've both got a few quid.... they think conspiracy is cool. Maybe there is a bit more of a scene for celebrity types. It's en vogue. :D
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Here you go, I've separated the wheat from the chaff for you:

It is only a matter of time before "they" start implanting RFID chips in humans. (I wouldn't say that, but it's certainly possible and has already occurred).

Global warming is a hoax created by the UN and politically funded scientists/environmentalists, aided by Al Gore and many others to put cap and trade in place for monetary gain. (True, although there are other ulterior motives as well)

that mercury in the vaccines is causing autism. (there is certainly a correlation, calling it causal may be too strong).

The UFO wreckage theory is used as a smokescreen by the government to cover up the fact that Area 51 is a testing ground for experimental aircraft. (this would appear to be possible based on the testimony of some people that have worked there).

The United States Department of Defense (DOD) is experimenting with HAARP (High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program) for possible use in "weather control" as a weapon. (see Area 51)

Water fluoridation is part of an insidious Communist plot to sap and impurify our precious bodily fluids. (Not really, this disingenuous explanation was lifted out of Dr. Strangelove. It is completely unjustifiable to fluoridate the water supply for many really obvious reasons, but it still happens)

Revolutionary free energy technology is being suppressed by governments and the oil industry. (Impossible to say. They would if it exists and they could.)

Similarly, big oil and big science are conspiring to cover up methods of generating abiotic oil. (I doubt it. However, they DEFINITELY would if it exists and they could.)

The "cure" for cancer actually exists but is being suppressed by the government. (I would suggest here that it is in fact impossible to create a singular cause for cancer, and that all the money poured into researching it is a total waste of time. There needs to be a preventative solution).

The government is minimizing the involvement of up to 17 men besides Terry Nichols and Timothy McVeigh in the OKC bombing, said men likely to be government informants and/or provocateurs. (True)

9/11 was staged by the US Government. (Bit simplistic)

9/11 was staged by the Israeli government. (Bit simplistic. There would seem to have been Mossad involvement)

World Trade Center Building 7 was purposely detonated by Them to prevent discovery of secret plans for something-or-other. (No, it quite clearly collapsed due to fire damage...)

Osama bin Laden is not dead / has been dead for long / is an invention of the American government. (I think it is pretty indisputable that he has been used as a bogeyman with some rather convenient videotapes being found on numerous occasions.)

J. Edgar Hoover was blackmailing important people in the US Government to keep his job as head of the FBI...and was, himself, being blackmailed by the Mafia not to investigate organized crime. (Certainly Hoover was an incredibly shady character, involved in no end of corruption, and I have no doubt he will have been involved in stuff we don't know about)

The Nazis themselves set the Reichstag fire. (Some historical conflict, but seems highly likely)

The Republicans used legal chicanery and fraud to win the 2000 U.S. Presidential Election. And the 2004 one. (True)

Election (insert country and date here) was rigged by (insert political party here). (Fucking dozens of completely documented examples).

That a group of "community organizers" called ACORN stuffed the ballot boxes for Obama in 2008. (Never heard of this, but the CIA has been involved in ballot box stuffing all over the world. See Chomsky / Mark Curtis / Jon Pilger, etc)

The CIA experimented on individuals with LSD without the subjects knowledge in a project known as Project MKULTRA. (This one's true, BTW) (You're right, it is true. They did a lot of other stuff in MK Ultra as well, and tens of thousands of files were systematically destroyed in a successful attempt to suppress what they contained)

JFK was not killed by Lee Harvey Oswald, acting alone. (True)

Bush deliberately lied to get the US to invade Iraq. (As opposed to being simply incompetent.) (No, it was all a cock up!)

The Reagan campaign made a deal with the Iranian government not to release the hostages until after Reagan was elected President. (Seems highly possible given everything else that went on at this time)

Roosevelt intentionally goaded Japan into war pursuant to a strategy outlined in the McCollum Memo. (True)

Roosevelt knew about the Pearl Harbor attack in advance, and let it happen. (True)

Bush et al. knew about the 9/11 attacks in advance. and let them happen. (Completely documented)

Gary Webb was suicided by the CIA and/or drug interests. Gary Webb wrote about the CIA and the crack cocaine epidemic, and his death by multiple gunshots to the head was ruled a suicide. (True)

Bill and Hillary Clinton had 50 people murdered, and got off scot-free. (Certainly some very shady things went on around the Clintons)

The whole world is run by a group trying to create some form of New World Order. (Simplistic. There is a group of crony capitalists that want a neo-feudal, global corprate fascist, plantation economy. They're nearly there. We already live in the economic system that was laid out extensively in Carroll Quigley's 'Tragedy and Hope. If you want to call it a 'New World Order' then you can)

The leaders of the US, Mexico, and Canada are conspiring to merge all three countries into the North American Union and adopt the Amero as a common currency, for... some reason. (This is already happening, but the US has signed numerous other trade agreements that go far beyond the scope of this plan)

FEMA is on the brink of dissolving the US government and shipping all of the country's undesireables to concentration camps for slaughter or deprogramming. (I'm never sure about this one, but when you see police smashing people's doors down and stealing their children, trampling all over the constitution with no justification whatsoever, then it seems far from impossible)

United States flags which have gold trim around them argued by tax protesters to signal that a court is under maritime law, a common argument in pseudolaw. (There would appear to be strong evidence for this. It never does any good in court because the legal system is utterly corrupt and ruled by money, power and coercion)

The United Nations is a conspiracy by Them to eliminate and invade sovereign nations with 'peacekeeper' troops to create a World Government/New World Order. (Too simplistic. If you believe the UN is a force trying to achieve peace...would you like to buy some magic beans?)

The CIA is shipping prisoners to other countries to have them tortured. There's evidence for this one. (Not evidence, it's just a fact)

Gun control is a tool to prevent population from revolting against the government. (Simplistic. Gun control is an example of the two-tier society we live in with regard to basic liberties, and an example of coercive and authoritarian government policy. Note that they arm the enforcers to the fucking teeth)

The Aurora and/or Sandy Hook massacres were US government hoaxes calculated to create an atmosphere in which gun control legislation could be introduced. The eye-witnesses who spoke to media were actually "crisis actors". (Not sure about this, but there seem to have been some odd goings on with relation to these events)

TWA Flight 800 was shot down by the Navy/Air Force/CIA/Other agency with an acronym. (Never looked at this in depth, but there seems to be good evidence for it)

The world is secretly ruled by the Rothschild family, who are a family of extremely successful and powerful bankers. (See Rothschild banking family of England at Wikipedia) The evidence? They're Jewish! (The world is run by bankers. I am not of the belief that the Rothschilds are central to this, but they certainly were in the past, see Professor Niall Ferguson's extensive history of the Rothschilds. Carroll Quigley named the Morgans as being one of the central families involved in the bankster takeover of society. What is the world's biggest investment bank today? J. P. Morgan)

Oil companies are deliberately suppressing better car technology. (Impossible to say, if they could make a buck doing it, they definitely would if they could)

Oil companies, Dick Cheney, and George Bush conspired to invade Iraq to take over their oil. (Obviously this is false and they really did want to save the world from Saddam Hussein's WMD's.) (Simplistic. The real reason, or the oil-related reason, was that Saddam was trading oil in Euros. This was reported by Time Magazine in 2000. It is also about the control of oil for corporations, not the supply of oil)

Shortly before 9/11, many individuals or institutions with prior knowledge shorted airline stocks and made a fortune. (True)

The Federal Reserve deliberately causes inflation and recessions. (Mostly true, although sometimes they do it by accident as well)

Monsanto Company is secretly maneuvering to control the world's food supply using GMOs (genetically modified organisms). (False. It's not a secret, they're doing it quite openly)

That there's a secret banking system even more profitable than hedge funds that only the rich have access to, but if you know the right people and pool your assets, you can make massive amounts of cash... (This is a complete misrepresentation of the issue. There is a shadow banking system that is vastly bigger than the 'real' banking system, this is just a fact)

Big businesses and politicians are in league to increase the number of prisoners in the US to make a profit. (Again some evidence for this) (Simply true. There isn't evidence for it, it's just a fact)

There is a huge, organized conspiracy to commit the Satanic ritual abuse and murder of small children. (Not sure about this, but I think we'd all have to agree that some shady things with children have gone on)
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The spectacular answer to a general, humanitarian approach is to pull the wool of consumerism over our eyes. Mediated experiences give no indication of the earth or labor required to produce them – it becomes increasingly difficult to discern image from reality. Is that plastic or glass? Synthetic or natural? Factory or hand-made? When we have passed the point when we could tell how exactly something is of the Earth, or how much human labour – human suffering – was needed to produce a mere thing, we have gone too far, and backwards at that. Vaneigem's humanitarian love, his desire to end the unseen suffering of daily life – readily translates into a demand for ethical consumption. We need to restructure our daily lives to understand what it is we are doing, how it is we are living. Am I causing more misery through paper bags or plastic? Will our physical environment last longer if I use the electric heater or the woodstove? Are sweatshop workers in Saipan better off when I buy from their factories or boycott them? The fundamental questions and answers of a global economic system have long been disguised under profit margins and bottom lines. The human aspect is unimportant, ignored. A humanitarian love, a complete, realized, subversive love understands every action of every day in its global context, in its human significance. It begins by asking what the hell is going on in modern society – it begins by exposing the gears of the spectacle to popular inspection. This is the duty of love – to love broadly and without restraint, to feel complicit in the human project enough that one's daily life becomes inseparable from the daily lives of those you do see and those you don't.

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"A humanitarian love, a complete, realized, subversive love understands every action of every day in its global context, in its human significance. It begins by asking what the hell is going on in modern society – it begins by exposing the gears of the spectacle to popular inspection. This is the duty of love – to love broadly and without restraint, to feel complicit in the human project enough that one's daily life becomes inseparable from the daily lives of those you do see and those you don't."

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oioioi wrote:
"A humanitarian love, a complete, realized, subversive love understands every action of every day in its global context, in its human significance. It begins by asking what the hell is going on in modern society – it begins by exposing the gears of the spectacle to popular inspection. This is the duty of love – to love broadly and without restraint, to feel complicit in the human project enough that one's daily life becomes inseparable from the daily lives of those you do see and those you don't."

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Very insightful contribution :think:
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Answer me this then, how many people in the 100K per year range do you know that are immersed in the conspiracy culture?

I'm not talking about someone who watched loose change on Netflix and thought for a week that 9/11 is kinda shady.

I'm talking about people who use forums like us and are waiting day by day for change and really follow world events.

Plus someone working 50 hours per week with plenty of extra money to have fun each weekend won't have much time for this stuff.


I completely understand what you saying, people making the big bucks don't want to rock the boat, and they don't give a crap if you live or die and participating in a forum is beneath them................fuck them lolol
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Mike wrote:
oioioi wrote:
"A humanitarian love, a complete, realized, subversive love understands every action of every day in its global context, in its human significance. It begins by asking what the hell is going on in modern society – it begins by exposing the gears of the spectacle to popular inspection. This is the duty of love – to love broadly and without restraint, to feel complicit in the human project enough that one's daily life becomes inseparable from the daily lives of those you do see and those you don't."

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Very insightful contribution :think:

Perhaps more than you are capable of comprehending, but thanks anyway.
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Not only do I think it's wrong to assume people's awareness of, or interest in, matters of conspiracy is dependent on their income bracket, but I also can't help thinking there's an inverse snobbery goes on in some quarters, to the point that people's jealousy of others who do well financially by the sweat of their own brows, can lead to distorted logic and prejudice.
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Update: I sent two kids to college sitting on the front row of the Bench in the picture on the first page.

One is going to a school in South Carolina to play basketball and the other is going to Delaware for academics.

The rest will all still be in High School next year but i would like a few more to go to Division 2 or 3 schools.
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Update: I sent two kids to college sitting on the front row of the Bench in the picture on the first page.

One is going to a school in South Carolina to play basketball and the other is going to Delaware for academics.

The rest will all still be in High School next year but i would like a few more to go to Division 2 or 3 schools.

So parents don't get credit just blame?

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