I never understand why people get hung up on the same sex stuff

I've had sex with a women, does that make me gay/homosexual?

Probs not as most men seem to get excited with the thought of girl on girl (maybe not AB's ]

Find someone attractive for their soul, ...not what sex they happen to be

Can't be arsed to find the link now, but there was a beauty on FB. An x-ray of two people kissing, you couldn't tell their creed, colour, gender, sexual-leanings, or anything. I felt the joy

dawnbreak wrote:
Pics, or it never happened.

feather wrote:
Its someone poking someone else with a stick, innit

I think the problems start because of our need to label and pigeon-hole.

To my way of thinking, sexuality is a very fluid thing. If we all just accepted that as a basic premise, we'd all be a lot happier.

Plus, folks make way too much of the whole sex thing. It's just sex. Hot, sweaty, rampant sex.

I think the po faced criticisers just aren't getting any.

Gilly wrote:
I always offer but I'm only one man.

psketti wrote: Because they is a gayer?

hugorune wrote:
I think we'd have to study the pictures in detail Dawn to be able to come to a conclusion, as it were.

Leviticus 20:13
Leviticus 18:22

If you read the above and believe that the bible is a rule book to follow then the Sally army are correct with their view.

The bible is of course full of ridiculous made up stories with very odd moralistic views such as Judges 19:16-24.

It's pantomime style stories were designed at the time for uneducated people who lapped up the propaganda and bizarre slandering of various bronze age tribes and warring factions.

To make people remember the rules,extreme examples were made linking morality to over the top stories a bit like fairy tales and as i have previously mentioned pantomimes.

It's similar to robin hood where a fanciful tale is used to get a code across,just being told don't do this or do this would not attract a following and would be difficult to build a culture and power base around.

for balance...

https://www.hoax-slayer.com/salvation-army-gays-put-to-death-interview.shtml

https://www.snopes.com/politics/sexuality/salvationarmy.asp

https://urbanlegends.about.com/od/religion/ss/Salvation-Army-Gays-Should-Be-Put-To-Death.htm

Source:


The Salvation Army response to questions raised about Joy Fm interview, Melbourne

23 June 2012

Question: Do Salvation Army full members believe, as per the Salvationist Handbook of Doctrine, that practising homosexuals should be put to death? Why, or why not?

Salvation Army members do not believe, and would never endorse, a view that homosexual activity should result in any form of physical punishment. The Salvationist Handbook of Doctrine does not state that practising homosexuals should be put to death and, in fact, urges all Salvationists to act with acceptance, love and respect to all people.

The Salvation Army teaches that every person is of infinite value, and each life a gift from God to be cherished, nurtured and preserved.

Question: Why include in your handbook the Romans text from The Bible, which indicates that God insists that homosexuals deserve to die?

This is a misunderstanding of the text referred to. The Scripture in question, viewed in its broader context, is not referring to physical death, nor is it specifically targeted at homosexual behaviour. The author is arguing that no human being is without sin, all sin leads to spiritual death (separation from God), and all people therefore need a Saviour.

Question: Isn't this inherently anti-Christian, to believe people should be put to death?

The Salvation Army acknowledges that the response in the interview has led to a serious misunderstanding of our teaching and that clarification should have been given during the interview.

The Salvation Army believes in the sanctity of all human life and believes it would be inconsistent with Christian teaching to call for anyone to be put to death. We consider every person to be of infinite value, and each life a gift from God to be cherished, nurtured and preserved.

Question: Do you feel you owe an apology or explanation to all those gay and Lesbian volunteers and people your organisation supports?

The Salvation Army sincerely apologises to all members of the GLBT community and to all our clients, employees, volunteers and those who are part of our faith communities for the offence caused by this miscommunication.

Conclusion

The Salvation Army encompasses a diverse community with a wide range of opinions on human sexuality and other subjects.

The leadership of The Salvation Army continues to reflect on Christian and Biblical tradition, and especially on the themes of justice and mercy, to further deepen the understandings of our own members and build a more healthy relationship with the GLBT community. We pledge to continue to offer services to all Australians and to treat each person with dignity, respect and non-discrimination.

dawnbreak wrote:
What an outrageous statement!
You expect us to believe that?
Do you have any sources for these claims?

Various Christian sects have been created over time and the Salvation Army are just one of the many.

To pick and choose which parts of the bible each new group decides is relevant or irrelevant makes a mockery of their belief that it is inspired by their bible god Jehovah.

I suppose it's easier for me as i have no monetary gain via a religion to worry about,nor power structure to sustain.

So, I don't think it would be a strawman to say that they do view homosexuality as sinful....
I'd wager that anyone frequenting this forum has at some point (if not constantly) looked at their own actions and weighed them. The way we treat others, our motivations, bad habits etc etc. What we measure them against is what we 'instinctively' know is 'right'. If our actions don't balance with this knowing, we experience dis-ease at some point, somehow. It may not be instant but it will show up in life. Those of us with a modicum of wisdom observe how this plays out and set about sorting our act out. Those with no wisdom, carry on creating dis-ease by acting against their inner sense of 'right'.
The wise are acting in harmony with their inner knowing at all times. They are harmonising with creation itself and actively participating in it.

Now, the Christian faith describes this as, sin. The separation from God spoken of is exactly what i just described. There is wisdom in the words. In the Christian faith the more you follow that 'rightness', the closer to God you become. Thing is, even if you are an atheist and couched it in terms such as 'getting true to oneself', it is impossible to do so without acting with all creation as your motivation. Selfishness would somewhat 'kill the buzz'. So it's the same thing for an atheist as a Christian.
But here is the difference. The atheist is free to understand that ramming your cock up another man's fun shute is only 'sinful' if you have acted against 'right' to make it a reality. If you gave the guy rohypnol then its a fair bet you just 'sinned'.
But a Christian, of a denomination, is not free to see this simple truth. They are taught that the act itself is a sin and dissent is not encouraged. The Christian of denomination has devolved their inner knowing to the inner knowing of God via a book. And that leaves them open to being fed bullshit that will most certainly keep them from 'God'. God would have an inner knkwledge of 'right' no? God would know that making people feel bad, persecuted or outcast in any way would be 'sinful'.
I contend this is exactly what churches are for. To keep folk from God.
This is not to say that a Christian who has their own inner relationship with the teachings of Christ will not come closer to 'God'. This Christ chap certainly seemed to know a thing or two about 'right'
I'll stop now, could go on all night and me thumbs are hurting...

knobmeup wrote:
I humbly suggest you're not doing right. Call me.