Thank you...I'm sure it will

simulacra wrote:
Hmmmm

So you ridicule a woman who you haven't listened to, even though you have no idea what she's talking about. Her theories which you don't understand and haven't read are absurd.

Some top-class truthing there mate

I bet you'll be first in line for ID chips as well.

She's not a jabbering mental patient you know. She's provided REAL VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE for her conclusions. Not like David Icke with his moon matrix reptilian bollocks for which there is not a single crumb of evidence. Her work is backed up by data as I keep saying.

Its painfully obvious to me that you have no intention of discussing any of her findings in a serious manner, and use the same tactic that most do when they're out of their depth, or shilling, and that's ridicule and character assassination.

I'd be perfectly willing to chat to you if you were open to new possibility, but the fact is, you aren't. If you were you wouldn't keep ignoring the points I keep bringing up about seismic data, magnetic field fluctuations, and public transparency issues. Are you even the slightest bit aware that the first video you posted doesn't even come close to debunking her? It shows a man with an agenda who gets found out, has no answers, and is out of his depth. To be honest, it tells me a great deal about you that you even posted that video. You're talking about subjects you aren't even close to understanding.

As such, it would be pointless of me to continue replying to you, so I'm out.

Can i ask, other than intellectual exercise, what is the benefit of investigating this atrocity?
It would be nigh on impossible to produce enough irrefutable, empirical evidence on all the subjects required, to secure convictions. Even if there were convictions, the system would morph around the cancer cells and carry on regardless.

I make the same point i make with regard csa. You have to address the system that enables/causes these atrocities. It is focussing on symptoms to concentrate on how stuff like 911 was pulled off.
Years have already been spent on it...nothing has happened.

Libor and it's ilk have done more to 'awaken' the people than 911.

Remove the cause of the illness, you remove the symptoms.

We live in a paradigm where it is acceptable for public servants to be seen as leaders/elites. Where it's ok for them to obfuscate truth, to employ spin and propaganda, in order to steer the people thay are paid to represent. Surely they should be giving us all the facts we need to make our own informed choices rather than what we see. It is considered acceptable for these public servants to describe schools as places where kids learn how to take their place in the economy and make deals in office that see them reap reward as regular civillians. It's the norm in fact.
I just wish folk would devote the same level of attention to topics like that as they do 911.
Churning in neutral is my view on 911 research and it's relevance to real change.

And yet again i see folk here thinking it's ok to throw the word, retard about...maybe folk like novum should set a better example...

yes simplelucra...youre a waste of time and space...why dont you get a job as moderator on the icke forum..or perhaps you are already one funded by MI5 or GCHQ or rockefeller foundation

dubmeup wrote:
the benefit is that judy wood has discovered that 911 was done by a type of directed energy with the help of a catagory 3 hurricaine off new york...therefore we know that the powers that be can now steer weather systems at will and if they tried a 911 type event again we would know what they were up to this time before they could do it...so its imperative we keep telling the public about dr judy woods research so we dont forget about it...thats why ive been selling her dvds on ebay for the last 6 years and will continue to do local events.

By the way did you think the guys campaigning for justice for the Hillsborough victims were wasting their time? i bet you did...shows you aint got the stomach for real truth and prefer a quiet life in your nice little box.

dubmeup wrote:
As far as I can tell Dr Wood is proposing something larger than 9/11 atrocity, I think she's proposing that a DEW has been revealed, it's just that the worlds populations are not really looking at the evidence.

dubmeup wrote:
Nothing can be done about 9/11 until we know for 100% what happened. The truth only comes about through continued research and discussion. At the moment, until solid evidence of the method (not effects of method) are found its still an intellectual problem, albeit one pointing in a particular direction. I like to discuss loads of different issues in the hope that even if in my mind alone some advancements towards reality are made.

You said that it would be better to go after the mechanisms that allow such things to happen, and I agree. But, without knowing what happened who do you go after? With what evidence? Conjecture? Finding out hat really happened is the first step toward doing something about it, and with that in mind these things need to be discussed.

I usually publicly stay away from 9/11 issues because to be honest, the scene is full of shit. I normally have my own private reservations about what happened and I felt that here might be a good place to discuss them, which is something I hadn't done on DIF as its full of pricks and disinfo agents.

What I will achieve by this I don't know, it is my hope that a new researcher with fresh ideas somehow comes across new information that somebody has spoken of on some forum, somewhere. Without discussion, there will never be truth and that's precisely why the 9/11 movement is full of shills wanting to curb discussion and lead it in other directions away from reality.

I do take the point about weather modification coates.
Edit: and also dew.
How much do you sell these dvds for? Cost price i trust.

Luckily for me your jibe about twoofers doesn't apply to me. I am me. My name is paul. I am not suffering a self imposed label such as twoofer.
Hillsborough eh...

edit: as in csa, no matter how much effort you put in you are never going to be allowed to take people down whilst the system protects them. That is my point. Police forces are now used to protect the system from those it purports to serve...daily. My conversations with plod on forums show me that at least a few of them know what's going on..but they still take the pay cheque and issue the baton thwacks. This shows something very wrong. Our collective psyche is fucked.

Running around forums calling folk that have questions "retards" is a nice little microcosm of that no?
It is not the way to "truth". Neither is it the way to peace and harmony for all....

This much is self evident and requires no more research than looking at one's actions and thoughts objectively....

coates wrote:
Are you going to post proof of that statement about DIF 'moderator' is funder by MI5 or GCHQ?

Edit - or Rockefeller foundation?

He has none.

Judy Wood also has zero evidence and had access to zero evidence, there are films of firemen pulling rubble out, there wasn't much of it but one fireman found half a phone, there are so many absurdities in the theories of Judy Wood one wouldn't know where to start.

Thankfully there are lot's of pre-existing debunkings, which there weren't in 2004-2007 when imo there was an excuse for finding inside job theories plausible, most the evidence is out there now if you're willing to look.

It appears Dave Starbuck was promoting the theories she comes out with before her anyway.
Say what you like about George Bush at least he wasn't this indecisive. Imagine if he'd come along and said this after the attacks by Islamist militants, it wouldn't have had the same effect as "we will hunt down whoever did this" and "bring justice upon those who harbour them".

Blue_Tackler wrote:
well back in 2003 when i was on the icke forum i was given a ticket to one of him talks at the brixton academy...one of the posters on there had a spare ticket and i gave him a lift down there...at the time i didnt know that paid shills were running the icke forum but on that day i met a load of david icke posters in a wetherspoons pub..the guy who gave me the ticket obviously knew they would be in the pub..the ones i can remember were john white,edelweiss pirate,third wave,froggy,shit happens...now i think its beyond coincidence that all those ive mentioned would be very well known on the icke forum and some moderators..obviously i was given the ticket for a reason...anyway i cant prove they are being funded but i recently met a project camelot moderator in Bath who aroused my suspicions about GCHQ involvement...proof is hard but i know my gut feelings are usually right.

John White is funded by the DWP.

simulacra wrote:
i thought that was his under cover job

simulacra wrote:
No, you were posting a comical YouTube clip of Dr Wood that has obviously been edited and taken out of context, tbh of course the dust was falling, and small particles but not an intact (except 'aeroplane damage') building, was falling, it was dust before it hit the floor.

Dr Wood knows and agrees that quite a lot of the metal structure survived, she even has photos of it on her website, she's stating that some of it it had been weakened and deformed by an energy akin to 'John Hutchinson's' effects.

What Dr Wood has stated is that the buildings had an awful lot of material that appears to have turned to dust, before it hit the ground, we can see that in action.



We can see large pieces falling and turning to dust as they fall, they are not being struck or blasted by anything that we can see, they have dust trails, so they are turning to dust in mid air as they fall, why would bits of concrete that are freefalling turn to dust?

by the way this project camelot moderator i met in Bath was on several dating site websites..some lesbian others heterosexual...she was also a life coach which seems to be a favourite job of the 'ops'...q steven bamber...sorry stephen its ph

coates wrote:
Are you a female/lesbian?

SilvaRizla wrote:
no of course not..i just dont like people trying to deceive me..i was on a dating site called planetearthsingles.com and she invited me down to Bath for what i thought was just a date but it turned out she was info gathering..i'm masonfreeparty by the way...i just did abit of info gathering on her afterwards...i also got a bloody parking ticket in Bath too!

Blue_Tackler wrote: Do you want me to post the original three part video, it's far more embarrassing.

You confound and conflate what you see there, it's not all concrete, lot's of that "dust"/debris is glass shards, burnt offices, interior walls etc, not just concrete.

There is plenty of evidence of structural damage from large chunks of the WTC buildings hitting adjacent buildings, notably WTC 7 which had a large section ripped out of it by debris, also there were people within the stairwell between the 20th and 30th floors who survived, surely these space beams would have pulverised human flesh?

simulacra wrote:
They wouldn't actually because its about resonant frequency. If you had even the slightest idea of what is being discussed you would know this.