Little Britain is a good docu too!

Heh, have you seen yes minister marina?

andyh wrote:
Oh yea!!! Love it!

Its all too truthful, oddly enough I guess thats what humour is about. Bill Hicks etc.

Overall good with lot's of bad things, unchecked immigration being the main one.

wake_up_bomb wrote: I thought the EU were capping bankers salaries and taxing bonuses, maybe you know more about this?

marina wrote: www.reject-the-eu.co.uk/nazi-roots/chapter.html

Balls to the nazis.

www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article...ay-EU-does-back.html

Rayment wrote: Yeah, I can't think of any issues in Europe with banks since the EU was formed! And all of the Eurozone is in such great economic shape as well!

wake_up_bomb wrote:
Lol!!

Blue_Tackler wrote:
I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the above is the case, but then what is the European aimed at funding specifically

It's a big topic ,
I don't think it's as bad as some make out ,
It can create an equal playing field. But if you want superiority that's not
Going to to go down well ,
My personal view right now is (from a Scottish independence point of view )
Is we can be a sovereign state inside the Eu but we can't inside the uk .

Until such times as Europe settles down and agrees on certain basic
Sociopolitical needs of it's people it serves a purpose
Of keeping rogues in check who would chop and change rules
Under the guise of saying it was adresssing it's people's wishes
Take Westminster it would make changes uk wide despite Scotland
Not voting for those in power there ,
That isn't democratic in any sense of the word
But the same Westminster politicians scare monger Scots about being chucked out of the Eu
And not having their own say ,

The uk is becoming a scary place actually .

The problems that brought about the Eu financial difficulties were introduced by non Eu American bankers
And cooperation in world banking
It's highly unfair to point a finger at Eu financial problems and say it's all your fault
It's similar to how Tories won last general election blaming Gordon brown on uk financial problems
When again it was global and not uk or Eu specific

Europe is a continent that required a united front on financial and human rights issues
After ww2
It atruggled to Compromise sovereign rights and reach agreement on many issues
But it happened ,
America was left out in the cold with a new financial and manufacturing superpower to compete with
When this happened in Asia American banks collapsed Asian banking markets
Now some might say the last financial crash suited America again
As it called on it ol pal the uk to open up better trade agreements
And guess what the uk did .

Europe is perfect but it's better than nothing and capitalism
Making all the rules and regulations around profit margins
If the uk had joined the euro I suspect last financial collapse would've backfired on America
Which it has to some extent ,
But the uk would be in a better financial state
Because the Eu lacked uks clout in banking
And if the uk went euro it would be loyal to supporting it rather than international dollar of the USA .

It's a nice idea to have own curencey but it leaves you open to financial bullies
Which is. how the big hitter America thrived up until it's creation
The Eu was biggest threat to American trade dominance since the middle east nations

The Eu could be disbanded tomorrow if Europe learned to act as one continent
When it doesn't it is vulnerable to outside interference and suffers
Inside Europe is just as volatile on a localised scale .

Imho

andyh wrote
• Administration Running the EU in each country
• The EU as a global partner International aid, activities outside the EU
• Citizenship, freedom, security and justice Asylum, education and culture
• Preservation and management of natural resources Common agricultural policy, environment, fishing
• Cohesion for growth and employment Helping poorer regions of Europe
• Competitiveness for growth and employment Economic growth grants to small business, science and research

Germany, as the biggest economy, is also the biggest contributor, Poland is the biggest receiver. The UK contributes much more than it receives too, about €5.4bn more. Why the gap? The UK is a rich country and the EU points out that although it spends less in the UK than the national contribution, the British economy gains much more from access to European markets and contracts. UK exports to the EU were worth £13.9bn (€16.6bn) in November last year alone.
The biggest item of spending is the Common Agricultural Policy - which incorporates rural development and a small amount on fisheries. The EU points out that this is now frozen and will be overtaken by the 'economic growth' category - but at the moment it accounts for €55.1bn. The big spending is in countries like France, Spain and Ireland, especially if you look at the figures as € per person.

How much does each country give and receive per person? If you look at national contributions from and spending in each country in, Luxembourg is the biggest receiver in Europe. However, those figures are skewed by its tiny population of 502,000 people and the fact that it is home to several EU institutions, including the European Court of Justice, the European Court of Auditors, Eurostat and the Secretariat of the European Parliament.

That's according to the Guardian though I'm unsure of the angle of report. www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/j...opean-union-spending

But then according to The Telegraph...
The European Parliament’s £1.5 billion budget is beset by the abuse of staff perks and expenses, nepotism and the wasting of taxpayers’ money, according to secret internal audits obtained by The Daily Telegraph.
According to senior officials, the auditor, a British accountant named Robert Galvin, has repeatedly written to Mr Welle and the bureau expressing his concerns. His reports disclose that “critical actions” needed to fix the problems have either been ignored or implemented too slowly.

Mr Galvin found persistent problems with how “personal entitlements” and perks, which were worth £81 million in 2006, were paid to civil servants. In 2008 the auditor identified “several areas of considerable risk”.

According to the auditor, administrative staff have been paying expenses to themselves or relations with other officials getting double payment or getting allowances they were not entitled to.

“Personnel [need to] raise awareness of its file managers of the risks of conflicts of interest and to instruct them never to handle their own or their relative’s personal file,” he warned.

The reports found “critical” irregularities and conflicts of interest concerning procurement contracts worth more than £600 million a year.

Even in the department of the parliament’s president, the auditor found “significant” and “materialised” problems with procurement and contracts.

At the time with which the reports were concerned, there were persistent rumours of nepotism in the department. The auditor noted that officials should in future "avoid inappropriate treatment of selection and exclusion criteria

In the parliament’s finance department, which has a budget of £298 million, the auditor found a “lack of assurance that the best value for money is obtained” and “ineffective” controls over contracts. The latest audit, from July this year, noted that the department had not replied to the auditor’s concerns. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europ...-to-keep-secret.html
blah de blah de blah.

Personally my opinion is that we had enough rulers fucking us over before the EU was established, now we have another layer, It's full of Catholics (not that's a bad thing per say, just a theme, I suspect that's why Blair became one) and as we all know by now the EU HQ building has a close architectural resemblance to the Tower of Babel.
This could be said to be based on superstition by myself and others, idk most of what occurs within the EU and their agendas, whether or not economies have been set to fail, or whether this is an empire, I don't like it, I don't vote in the UK, what would be the point anyway when their only there to implement the policy of the EU.

I recommend that this report is read, see what these fuckers are really up to.....
''The extent of corruption in Europe is "breathtaking" and it costs the EU economy at least 120bn euros (£99bn) annually, the European Commission says.
EU Home Affairs Commissioner Cecilia Malmstroem has presented a full report on the problem.

She said the true cost of corruption was "probably much higher" than 120bn.

Three-quarters of Europeans surveyed for the Commission study said that corruption was widespread, and more than half said the level had increased.

"The extent of the problem in Europe is breathtaking, although Sweden is among the countries with the least problems," Ms Malmstroem wrote in Sweden's Goeteborgs-Posten daily.
Here's the rest www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26014387

Britain were conned into voting in favour of staying in the Common Market.

Prime Minister Heath, whose government entered into the accession treaty, and Prime Minister Wilson, who arranged the referendum, both knew that the Common Market was simply a stage in the development of the European Union.

At some point, those behind the take-over of Britain by the EU realised that they needed people whom they could trust to manage the new bureaucracy.

Enter Common Purpose, which was established to recruit and train the commissars and apparatchiks needed to run this bureaucracy.

The Hidden Agenda

From 1997, the New Labour government worked to two agendas. Firstly, the open agenda as laid out in their manifestos and secondly, their hidden agenda.

The objective of the hidden agenda is the creation of a communitarian society controlled by the EU collective.

In order to achieve this objective, the New Labour government ran a parallel administration made up of QUANGOs and fake charities. A fake charity is legally a charity but effectively operates as a government department, receiving a substantial amount of funding directly or indirectly from government and operating as a government department.

The hidden agenda continues to operate under the coalition government.

The British parliament has become just a puppet organization. They merely go through the motions - the pretense of acting like a governing body, but the reality is they are just rubber-stamping the programmes of the New World Order global communitarian technocrats.



stopcp.com/cpmindmap.php

Daughter of referendum case winner urges 'No' vote

The daughter of the man who secured the right of Irish people to vote on EU treaties today (then) urged the electorate to reject the latest reform package.

More than 20 years ago the late Raymond Crotty won a case against the Irish Government which meant any EU rules that impacted on Ireland's constitution must be approved by the people.

Mary Crotty said her father's win has resulted in less than four million Irish people voting on behalf of half a billion Europeans on the Lisbon Treaty.

She maintains lawyers who worked on his case believe that, if implemented, the Lisbon Treaty will be Ireland's last EU-related referendum.

"My father Raymond Crotty took the Irish Government to the Supreme Court in 1987 because that Government attempted to introduce the Single European Act without giving the people of Ireland a vote in the referendum," said Ms Crotty.

"It is because of that Supreme Court ruling that we now have a vote in the Lisbon Treaty.

"Ironically because of the Crotty case the Irish people get to vote twice on Lisbon while the rest of Europe get no vote at all.

"Because this Treaty is so extensive I've no doubt that if passed it will be the last referendum the Irish people will have on Europe."

Ms Crotty spoke out as part of the Women Say No To Lisbon camp, which includes 42 female politicians and activists.

However, she stressed she was concerned as a wife and mother of four, and had no political affiliation.

Elsewhere, in Dublin's Buswell's Hotel several other groups made a last ditch attempt to convince the electorate to vote 'No' on Friday.

The People's Movement, the Irish Fishermen's Organisation and Farmers for a No Vote held a joint press conference in the shadow of the Dáil to urge voters to reject the EU reform deal.

Caitlin Ui Aoghla said fishing was one of the industries that has seen first-hand what bad European policies do.

"Fishing has suffered, it is one of our indigenous industries, it is one of the industries where we've actually seen how the big boys dish out the share," she said.

"We are concerned that Lisbon further consolidates all the bad policies the EU has done up to now."
www.rathkennyparish.ie/masses/readings-for-masses/1065-doc14

In case anyone does not know who/what Raymond Crotty was, he took the Irish government to court and won his case, because the Irish government were heading for the EU without a referendum, the referendum took place and the Irish voted no to the EU.

To cut a long story short, a second referendum was then created by the Irish government including a pro EU advertising campaign and the referendum questions had been reworded to appear more appealing.

So basically ''we'll keep having referendums until we get the vote that we want''.

Then it's
'Amid a forced bailout of their recently prosperous country in 2010, Irish citizens are outraged over how little influence they had in the negotiations that required their government to seriously downsize their National Budget and domestic policies. In fact, they expressed their frustrations in proceeding elections by voting for candidates who pledged to renegotiate the Bailout. The now crippled Celtic Tiger is a victim of the negative effects associated with globalization in its most extreme form. The European Union, especially the Euro Zone, is a bold example of free trade and other policies designed to entrust power to international bodies taken so far, citizens and governments were willing to renounce their sovereign rights to gain a few short-term economic benefits.'
While Ireland faced a potential systematic failure of its banking system, which is far larger than its treasury can handle, Greece’s near default on its National Debt has revealed its economy was built on inflated growth bought with borrowed money. From these two PIGS nations, Europeans should now understand equally codependent, open partnerships with significantly weaker countries only cost richer countries, especially Germany in this case, over the long run. To a lesser extent, even countries like the United States have pursued free trade policies to a fault where they have lost their capacity to exercise their own sovereign rights over trade, to say nothing of foreign owned US Debt. The United States and heavy free traders cannot properly tax, regulate, or enforce laws against corporations without fear of outsourcing or lost economic growth, because they treat lesser economies as though they offer equal benefits.
Under the influence of globalization, especially in the post-Cold War world, members of the International Community hastily abandoned their supreme sovereign rights for the nearly powerless leadership of international bodies and unenforceable international laws in our extremely uneven, global economy where no authority actually ensures things like fiscal responsibility or enforcement of intellectual property rights. The Irish are reaping the rewards of a rather ill-developed plan to merge countries with very diverse cultures, economies, and governments. Although the vision of a united world and economy, which addresses poverty across the globe, is an agreeable idea, such dreams cannot be achieved overnight nor can they ever be achieved if people continue to neglect the downsides of the policies they pursue, such as untargeted free trade and the Euro.'
www.worldissues360.com/index.php/ireland...ree-trade-pigs-7214/

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I'm against it as is, last thing we need is another huge layer of bureaucrats and politicians feeding at the trough at our expense, we already have about 90% more than we need without the EU, with Westminster, the Scottish/Wales "governments" and local government. It's also even less accountable than our own government (if that's actually possible).

Like the idea of open borders to make travel easier, but this is something for tourist boards to co-operate on, not a reason to have an unelected European government.

The common currency issue is not something I am much bothered about, there will be upsides and downsides to that for each country, the financial system is beyond repair anyway, irrespective of what fake tokens are used, what matters is what is behind the currency, rather than which face they put on tenners, so not too bothered.

As the EU involves 28 countries being ruled very largely by unelected officials, I am utterly and vehemently against it.

70% of UK legislation is just rubber stamping of these officials' decisions.

The EU needs to be replaced by a simple free trade area. In fact the EU may well be holding back UK growth: the emerging BRICS (etc) nations are where we need to be concentrating our efforts rather than clapped out Europe!

difduffer wrote:
How can any country be a sovereign state inside the EU, which is gradually becoming more and more powerful?

I would ask how can any country be considered sovereign if its citizens are not?

E.g representative democracy is for and on behalf of rich individuals not the general population, in that respect it is no different than the EU, it merely pretends to be different.

Switzerland is the only exception I can see tbh.