andyh wrote:
There's no evidence either way Grackus.
For example, prove that DNA was made by God etc
None of this discussion so far has even touched on proof. It has all been about evidence. Why bring up proof now?
The argument for intelligence or a mind being involved in encoding the masses of sepcified information on the DNA molecule is that information (not data, like you suggest when you mention photons hitting a screen or being able to see a star through a telescope) is always the result of mental activity. All human experience and scientific observation point to this fact.
Also if you read back you will notice that I have not mentioned God at all. My interest in this subject is not proving God exists, rather casting doubt on the theory of evolution, which I believe has nothing going for it whatsoever. So while I can not prove that God made DNA I believe that the incredible complexity of DNA makes it most likely that it is the result of a mind at work. Information simply does not spring from nothing, or grow from nothing. If it did then show me evidence of how this might have happened. As it stands, with the backing of basically anyone who knows the meaning of the word information, DNA is quite clearly information, just as computer code, writing or mathematics can be considered information.
If you come across a set of blueprints detailing how to build a car you are most likely to presume it is the work of some intelligent being communicating a message so that the invention that was spawned in their imagination can be built in reality.
Just as if you find the plans that detail how to build a living being written in its own unique code you would be most likely to presume, again, that this is the work of a mind.
Just saying there is no evidence either way is woefully inadequate. The information on the DNA molecule had to come from somewhere, and seeing as information only springs from intelligence then it is hardly a stretch to surmise that intelligence or a mind is responsible for the information on the DNA molecule. Despite denying it these facts are obviously evidence for DNA being created or written by something.
On the other hand nowhere in the universe has anyone ever seen complex information coming into being as a result of material processes. That is why you tried to purport that a load of photons hitting a screen is actually information rather than data.
If you can point to one piece of evidence that shows that information can come about via purely natural processes with a result similar to writing, for example, or the digital code contained on the DNA molecule, then you might start to convince someone, but as it is, you (and everyone else in the world) has got zip.
Then that goes back to my earlier post doesn't it.
Creationism is about the universe though and includes the hypothetical aliens, not merely mankind.
