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Jimmy Saville - Justice At Last? 18 Dec 2013 22:43 #641

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The former lead singer of the Lostprophets, Ian Watkins, has been jailed for 35 years for sex offences on babies and children that plumbed “new depths of depravity”.

Described as a committed and determined paedophile during his sentencing, Watkins had used his power over fawning young fans to exploit them and persuaded two women to help satisfy what a judge called his “insatiable lust” by allowing him to abuse their young children.

After sexually touching a woman’s 11-month-old baby, Watkins, 36, then tried to have penetrative sex with the child. He also encouraged a second fan to abuse her child during a webcam chat and stashed child porn videos, some of which he had made himself.

Yet even after admitting two counts of attempted baby rape, he told a female fan during a phone call from prison that he would issue a statement saying it had been very funny, or “mega lolz” as he put it, Cardiff Crown Court was told.

He will spend about 20 years in prison and then another 15 on licence, the court heard. Watkins’ two accomplices, named only Woman A and Woman B, were jailed for 14 years and 16 years.

The disgraced rockstar, who shook visibly in the dock as he was sentenced, had admitted 13 offences but he is suspected of carrying out further attacks. Police are investigating whether he committed further abuse in countries including the US and Germany.

The police watchdog has announced that it will investigate three police forces over their handling of allegations that the singer had been abusing children. The Independent Police Complaints Commission said that reports of abuse had been made to South Wales police as early as 2008 – four years before he was finally arrested.

Watkins’ former girlfriend claimed that he had abused hundreds of children during drug-fuelled sessions and besotted fans offered their children to them as victims.

“It’s an incredibly difficult step to report child abuse so it’s imperative that when people do speak out they have the utmost confidence that what they are reporting will be acted upon immediately,” said Peter Wanless, chief executive of the NSPCC.

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Watkins told probation officers of his desire to shock and to push the boundaries and his sexual aggression increased with his use of cocaine and methamphetamine. The judge Mr Justice Royce told Watkins that young women needed to be protected from the singer.

“You, Watkins, achieved fame and success as the lead singer of Lostprophets,” the judge said. “You had many fawning fans. That gave you power. You knew you could use that power to induce young female fans to help satisfy your insatiable lust and take part in the sexual abuse of their own children.”

He added: “I am satisfied that you are a deeply corrupting influence, you are highly manipulative, you are a sexual predator, you are dangerous.”

The court heard that Watkins was involved in long discussions with the mother of a 10-month-old child about the sexual violence he would perform. She could be heard encouraging him on videos recorded of the abuse.

Watkins kept disturbing images on a powerful encrypted computer system that needed staff from GCHQ to break into.

Detective Chief Inspector Peter Doyle said the hunt continued for others who helped Watkins carry out suspected abuse of other child victims.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/form...viction-9012087.html

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Jimmy Saville - Justice At Last? 18 Dec 2013 22:53 #642

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If it's true the files required gchq decryption, that says he was completely cognizant of his crimes, he was not just going on drugs binges and losing it.
He's genuine fucking filth.
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Jimmy Saville - Justice At Last? 18 Dec 2013 23:06 #643

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Too right.
What I find very disturbing about this as well is the complicity of parents willing to allow their children to be abused by somebody simply because they are some form of 'celebrity' or 'idol' or whatever. It's beyond belief that a parent would allow this fiend to attempt to rape their babies.
wtf?
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Jimmy Saville - Justice At Last? 18 Dec 2013 23:06 #644

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Odds on his surviving the 20 stretch?
Pretty damn low.

Those two mothers who let him abuse their kids though.
Fucksake! :mad:

They'll also cop it inside. Bigtime.
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Jimmy Saville - Justice At Last? 18 Dec 2013 23:15 #645

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Odds on his surviving the 20 stretch?
Pretty damn low.

Those two mothers who let him abuse their kids though.
Fucksake! :mad:

They'll also cop it inside. Bigtime.

Won't they all get put on special maximum security wings with people who've done similar stuff though?

As much as it's tempting to say I hope they get kicked to death, I hope they're forced to see out their sentences and then get more - like Ian Brady.
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Jimmy Saville - Justice At Last? 18 Dec 2013 23:36 #646

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If they want him they'll get him.
Look at Ian Huntley, for example, scalded, throat slashed attempted O.D.

Even nutter lifers have kids and his "mega lolz" comment about raping babies will tip a few over the edge I reckon.
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Jimmy Saville - Justice At Last? 19 Dec 2013 00:00 #647

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Disgusting

The whole thing is disgusting

How does anyone actually become that deprived and sick?
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Jimmy Saville - Justice At Last? 19 Dec 2013 00:05 #648

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feather wrote:
If they want him they'll get him.
Look at Ian Huntley, for example, scalded, throat slashed attempted O.D.

Even nutter lifers have kids and his "mega lolz" comment about raping babies will tip a few over the edge I reckon.

Yeh, well I suppose they've got long enough to give it a go. I like the fact he was quaking in court, but his bravado is bizarre.
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Jimmy Saville - Justice At Last? 19 Dec 2013 00:06 #649

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Disgusting

The whole thing is disgusting

How does anyone actually become that deprived and sick?

I tend to think they're mentally ill.
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Jimmy Saville - Justice At Last? 19 Dec 2013 00:40 #650

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think or hope?

He had a career in a band it's not like he was not functioning in society

It would be easier if he was mentally ill, because if he wasn't it means people do stuff like this
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Jimmy Saville - Justice At Last? 19 Dec 2013 01:14 #651

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dawnbreak wrote:
think or hope?

He had a career in a band it's not like he was not functioning in society

It would be easier if he was mentally ill, because if he wasn't it means people do stuff like this

Think.... it's just an opinion, I know a lot of people won't agree.
Look at Saville... he was a fully functioning hero & knight of the realm etc. I don't think status is relevant tbh, except the fact that it's helped in both cases to be a facilitator of abuse. But if they didn't have their status they would still likely be abusers & paedos.... they just wouldn't be in the public eye.
People do do stuff like this, and sadly pedophilia & abuse is considerably more rife than most people suspect.
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Jimmy Saville - Justice At Last? 19 Dec 2013 06:47 #652

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I don't believe they're ill. I think they're fucking evil. The lot of them, including the mothers who served their babies up for abuse.
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Jimmy Saville - Justice At Last? 16 Jan 2014 07:41 #653

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BRITAIN: ‘PEDOPHILE NETWORK AT THE HEART OF GOVERNMENT’
January 15, 2014
SOURCE: CRYPTOGON
Via: Express:

A FORMER female MP was involved in a paedophile network at the heart of government, police have been told.

She is alleged to have forced a boy in care to perform a “vile” sex act at one of a series of drug-fuelled parties in Westminster in the Eighties where boys and girls as young as 13 were allegedly abused.

Last night her alleged victim told the Sunday Express: “I want justice.”

Andrew Ash, now 45, said he has given Scotland Yard the name of the former MP. We cannot name her for legal reasons.

Mr Ash claims he was frequently ferried down to London from the North of England, where he was in care, to take part in sex parties.

He says they were organised by a paedophile ring involving David Smith, Jimmy Savile’s former chauffeur who killed himself last year before he was due to stand trial for sex offences.

He said: “It wasn’t just politicians, there were also a number of celebrities, including Jimmy Savile, who seemed to have a lot of good links to MPs and powerful businessmen.

Mr Ash claims officers have footage which shows a senior male MP in the same frame as him, although no abuse takes place on camera. He said he is speaking out now because he is frustrated by the lack of action after being interviewed for 70 hours by the Met Police’s Paedophile Unit.

He says he was abused by the male MP on another occasion too. He said: “I remember being filmed with this MP, who was abusing me in a garage of a very prominent building behind a Rolls-Royce.

“Another politician turned up with a video camera but the man abusing me just smirked and joked, ‘OK, OK, I’ll vote any way you want’ as if he was being blackmailed. What I want to know is why they haven’t arrested him yet if they have this evidence.


www.blacklistednews.com/Britain%3A_%E2%8...055/0/38/38/Y/M.html

So it seems the police are still being negligent where politicians are concerned. And if that's the case, then other celebrities partaking in these attacks on children will be getting shielded by virtue of the fact that going after them would automatically mean exposing the MP's who were involved in the same orgies.

And what about the scum who were complicit from the 'care' homes?

Every last one of them needs nailing to the wall. Including every individual in the justice system who's failed to act appropriately on information they're privy to.


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Jimmy Saville - Justice At Last? 18 Jan 2014 23:36 #654

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The BBC will be plunged into a major crisis with the publication of a damning review, expected next month, that will reveal its staff turned a blind eye to the rape and sexual assault of up to 1,000 girls and boys by Jimmy Savile in the corporation's changing rooms and studios.

Dame Janet Smith, a former court of appeal judge, who previously led the inquiry into the murders by Dr Harold Shipman, will say in her report that the true number of victims of Savile's sexual proclivities may never be known but that his behaviour had been recognised by BBC executives who took no action.

Smith's investigations, which followed the Pollard inquiry into why the BBC shelved a Newsnight programme about Savile, will send shockwaves through the corporation.

A source close to the inquiry told the Observer: "The numbers are shocking. Many hundreds and potentially up to 1,000 people were victims of Savile when he was representing the corporation. The report will overshadow Pollard. It will go right to the heart of how Savile was able to get away with the most heinous of crimes under the very noses of BBC staff for more than 40 years."

The sheer scale of victims' testimonies being examined has delayed the publication of Smith's report by a month.

Peter Saunders, chief executive of the National Association for People Abused in Childhood (Napac), which has been consulted by Smith's inquiry, said: "In Savile's lifetime I wouldn't doubt [that 1,000 people had been abused by him on BBC property]. The other thing I have found extraordinary, and very sad, is the number of people I have spoken to connected to the BBC, and that is a lot of people, who said: 'Oh yes, we all knew about him.'

"I was talking to someone at BBC Manchester in Salford who said 'we knew about Stuart Hall. He had a room where he would take women and young people'. You think: 'Oh my God, these people were offending almost in open sight and no one thought to intervene.'"

Liz Dux, a lawyer representing 74 of Savile's victims, said Smith had been forensic in her examination of witnesses and her report was likely to cause serious concerns for those at the top of the organisation. She said: "Every single opportunity Savile took it. He never had a quiet day basically so these numbers wouldn't at all surprise me.

"Dame Janet is very widely respected and I am confident she won't leave any stones unturned. The clients who gave evidence said that they felt they were listened to very sensitively and sympathetically and were able to give their evidence in a lot of detail. This will not be a what-the-BBC-want sort of report."

A second report on the scale of Savile's abuse within the NHS has also been delayed due to the number of places in which Savile committed crimes and it is not expected until June.

Smith has used a similar methodology to that employed during the Shipman inquiry, which found the GP had killed hundreds of patients, not just the 15 for which he received life sentences before taking his own life in his prison cell.

Her team sent letters to every member of BBC staff past and present asking whether they had witnessed criminal acts by Savile in order to piece together his pattern of behaviour and establish an understanding of the scale of his crimes.

In three known cases, one of which involved a BBC cameraman who has since died, Savile carried out his abuse with others connected to the corporation, the review has heard.

The report will, however, express frustration that some of those closest to Savile or culpable for allowing him to go unchallenged have refused to co-operate. His criminality peaked in the 1960s and 1970s, when he was middle-aged and at the height of his career at the corporation, but continued right up until the last filming of Top of the Pops in 2006 when at the age of 79 he groped a girl aged between 13 and 16. Smith's review has been in contact with more than 1,000 witnesses and victims, including the 138 who are pursuing civil claims for compensation, but the scale of those affected by Savile's crimes dwarfs the number who have so far come forward.

The Observer understands the BBC has provided more than £10,000 in funding, and the assistance of a business consultant, to Napac to allow it to increase its helpline services. Further money is expected to be made available when the review is published.

Lord Hall, the BBC's director general, met the charity's chief executive shortly before Christmas and asked for his support when the Smith report is launched.

Dux hopes the BBC will respond to Smith's findings by offering further support to the victims, who are due to receive limited compensation through a scheme being agreed with the corporation, the NHS and the Jimmy Savile Charitable Trust. Those raped by Savile are unlikely to receive more than £50,000 in compensation.

Dux, head of abuse cases at Slater & Gordon, said: "What I hope doesn't happen is that the BBC goes into some sort of navel-gazing period. Rather than look internally, look at how they are behaving and accept some corporate responsibility, which is not what they have done so far.

"I have asked for counselling for my clients who have given statements but the BBC have done nothing; my clients have been left absolutely high and dry."

If the BBC really cared about these people then they would have contacted them as soon as they have given evidence and said: 'We accept that you have gone through an awful ordeal and whatever the outcome of the report we have made facilities to let you go and see this counsellor.'"

She added: "Whether these cases are resolved by settlement scheme or by court the amount of damages the victims of the BBC will get is absolutely tiny compared to what they have spent on their own legal fees, the Pollard inquiry and their own staff. The damages for compensation in civil law for rape is rarely over £50,000 and that is something that is life-changing and hideous. They are actually getting an insulting amount".

A spokesman for Smith's review declined to comment.
www.theguardian.com/media/2014/jan/18/ji...sed-1000-victims-bbc
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Jimmy Saville - Justice At Last? 18 Jan 2014 23:38 #655

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The BBC will be plunged into a major crisis with the publication of a damning review, expected next month, that will reveal its staff turned a blind eye to the rape and sexual assault of up to 1,000 girls and boys by Jimmy Savile in the corporation's changing rooms and studios.
But yet no-one knew it was going on.
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Jimmy Saville - Justice At Last? 18 Jan 2014 23:59 #656

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I'm staggered at how many women get involved in this sort of thing.
naivety attracts evil and evil attracts naivety
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