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Let Banks Fail Is Iceland Mantra as 2% Joblessness in Sight 27 Jan 2014 13:38 #1

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www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-01-27/let-ba...ssness-in-sight.html
Iceland let its banks fail in 2008 because they proved too big to save.

Now, the island is finding crisis-management decisions made half a decade ago have put it on a trajectory that’s turned 2 percent unemployment into a realistic goal.

While the euro area grapples with record joblessness, led by more than 25 percent in Greece and Spain, only about 4 percent of Iceland’s labor force is without work. Prime MinisterSigmundur D. Gunnlaugsson says even that’s too high.

“Politicians always have something to worry about,” the 38-year-old said in an interview last week. “We’d like to see unemployment going from where it’s now -- around 4 percent -- to under 2 percent, which may sound strange to most other western countries, but Icelanders aren’t accustomed to unemployment.”

The island’s sudden economic meltdown in October 2008 made international headlines as a debt-fueled banking boom ended in a matter of weeks when funding markets froze. Policy makers overseeing the $14 billion economy refused to back the banks, which subsequently defaulted on $85 billion. The government’s decision to protect state finances left it with the means to continue social support programs that shielded Icelanders from penury during the worst financial crisis in six decades.
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Let Banks Fail Is Iceland Mantra as 2% Joblessness in Sight 27 Jan 2014 13:59 #2

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i went to iceland in 2004ish and fell in love with the place - shall continue to watch with interest how their recovery continues ty wub :)
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Let Banks Fail Is Iceland Mantra as 2% Joblessness in Sight 27 Jan 2014 14:13 #3

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Policy makers overseeing the $14 billion economy refused to back the banks, which subsequently defaulted on $85 billion. The government’s decision to protect state finances left it with the means to continue social support programs that shielded Icelanders from penury during the worst financial crisis in six decades.

So why could the icelandic politicians refuse, yet the greek politicians didnt.

Is it just a case of the latter were all bought and paid for by the banks?

Anyway, if they get the unemployment down to around zero they can then start hiring greeks and spaniards. :think:
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Let Banks Fail Is Iceland Mantra as 2% Joblessness in Sight 27 Jan 2014 14:18 #4

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novum wrote:
Policy makers overseeing the $14 billion economy refused to back the banks, which subsequently defaulted on $85 billion. The government’s decision to protect state finances left it with the means to continue social support programs that shielded Icelanders from penury during the worst financial crisis in six decades.

So why could the icelandic politicians refuse, yet the greek politicians didnt.

Is it just a case of the latter were all bought and paid for by the banks?

Anyway, if they get the unemployment down to around zero they can then start hiring greeks and spaniards. :think:

It is us next. all this faux wftd crap. anyways nitey nites, summer sux, you should be in bed by now novum :hide:
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Let Banks Fail Is Iceland Mantra as 2% Joblessness in Sight 27 Jan 2014 14:38 #5

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It is us next. all this faux wftd crap. anyways nitey nites, summer sux, you should be in bed by now novum :hide:

Nov working nightshift 2nite :secret:

Australian economy is likely gonna keep going down yep... greek politicians arent the only malakes.

Summer here does suck, days are too long and its pretty much 40C for a week now. :aargh:

I wanna go to iceland this week, sounds cold, it must be!
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Last Edit: 27 Jan 2014 14:40 by novum.
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Let Banks Fail Is Iceland Mantra as 2% Joblessness in Sight 27 Jan 2014 14:58 #6

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novum wrote:
Policy makers overseeing the $14 billion economy refused to back the banks, which subsequently defaulted on $85 billion. The government’s decision to protect state finances left it with the means to continue social support programs that shielded Icelanders from penury during the worst financial crisis in six decades.

So why could the icelandic politicians refuse, yet the greek politicians didnt.

Is it just a case of the latter were all bought and paid for by the banks?

Anyway, if they get the unemployment down to around zero they can then start hiring greeks and spaniards. :think:

Theres about 300,000 people in Iceland, its far harder for corruption and cronyism to work with such a tight knit community.
Wigan has about as many people as all of Iceland put together.
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Let Banks Fail Is Iceland Mantra as 2% Joblessness in Sight 27 Jan 2014 15:10 #7

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andyh wrote:

Theres about 300,000 people in Iceland, its far harder for corruption and cronyism to work with such a tight knit community.
Wigan has about as many people as all of Iceland put together.

Indeed. Iceland has a lower population than some London boroughs!
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Let Banks Fail Is Iceland Mantra as 2% Joblessness in Sight 27 Jan 2014 15:11 #8

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andyh wrote:
Theres about 300,000 people in Iceland, its far harder for corruption and cronyism to work with such a tight knit community.
Wigan has about as many people as all of Iceland put together.

Ah, i see... not many people is it.

I guess Greece and Spain had more stuff that could be sold off privatised by governments also.
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Let Banks Fail Is Iceland Mantra as 2% Joblessness in Sight 27 Jan 2014 15:14 #9

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novum wrote:
andyh wrote:
Theres about 300,000 people in Iceland, its far harder for corruption and cronyism to work with such a tight knit community.
Wigan has about as many people as all of Iceland put together.

Ah, i see... not many people is it.

I guess Greece and Spain had more stuff that could be sold off privatised by governments also.

Possibly a lot more aye, just IMHO its case of it gets done where its easiest first.
Africa has been buttraped like this for decades for example. Its only become apparent to westerners and a concern as our paradigm of western wealth is now being plundered.
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Let Banks Fail Is Iceland Mantra as 2% Joblessness in Sight 27 Jan 2014 15:18 #10

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novum wrote:
andyh wrote:
Theres about 300,000 people in Iceland, its far harder for corruption and cronyism to work with such a tight knit community.
Wigan has about as many people as all of Iceland put together.

Ah, i see... not many people is it.

I guess Greece and Spain had more stuff that could be sold off privatised by governments also.

Iceland tried to sell off Bjork a few years ago. She didn't react too well.

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Let Banks Fail Is Iceland Mantra as 2% Joblessness in Sight 27 Jan 2014 15:24 #11

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Iceland tried to sell off Bjork a few years ago. She didn't react too well.

Bjork Attacks O

I didnt know, i wouldve put a bid in... im a sucker for crazy chicks punishment for some reason.
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Let Banks Fail Is Iceland Mantra as 2% Joblessness in Sight 27 Jan 2014 15:28 #12

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Let Banks Fail Is Iceland Mantra as 2% Joblessness in Sight 27 Jan 2014 16:49 #13

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I know you were contemplating Iceland as your next stop....may I politely suggest, as they seem to be doing OK, that you don't go Andy.....

















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Let Banks Fail Is Iceland Mantra as 2% Joblessness in Sight 27 Jan 2014 16:51 #14

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Privatization has been mentioned.
So let's say a la Greece, the Troika demand that a nation's services are sold off to get the government expenditure down.
Well,
If a service was well(ish) run prior to the sale date, it wouldn't have been costing the nation much anyway. The question would then be, what's the point of selling it off? The answer could only be, short term financial gain. Pay down a loan or two sharpish. Short sighted on the part of the government to say the least. But hey, the monthly expenditure would go down a bit off the back of the odd few paid off loans.
But, if it was in fact a drain on national resources pre privatization (ie poorly run) then the reduction in government expenditure would be marked. As it no longer had to prop up the service. The short term financial gain would be less but in the mid to long term, the savings would make up for that.

So in both cases the service being sold off has a 'positive' effect on the Nation's balance sheet. The difference is just one of timescale.

In theory, less government expenditure would mean less taxes....
But in austerity, it doesn't mean that at all. There's no way you'll get a tax reduction as a result.

Why?

Because the government uses the taxed fiat and the 'profit' from the sale to pay the private banking network who lie behind such things as the Troika. The bankers get a nice boost to the coffers. The people get nowt.

So, the national asset is gone. Handed over to the bread heads. The people invariably then see the service costs rise and their tax burden remain the same. A few of those people might make a few quid short term but the majority will see their real spending power diminish.
The newly privatized company will no doubt lay people off, hit into worker benefits etc. Those that remain in employment will invariably see their productivity expectations raised, conditions lowered....In many cases, people will see standards slip.

Now, Iceland let it's banks fail. In Britain this caused financial chaos as crucial services had their cash saved in those Icelandic banks.
The British 'economy' took a major hit.
The British Government could have lawfully created new debt free fiat to match every penny that had been sucked out by the Icelandic bank collapse. Because the original fiat was 'gone' the replacement fiat would not have been inflationary. It would just be a like for like thing, All those councils, education trusts etc that had 'lost out' could have pretty much carried on as per normal (except they'd hopefully have learnt summat ;) )
Instead, what we saw, was quantative easing. Whereby the government issued bonds that were 'bought' by the Bank of England (banking network). Those bonds being a promise to pay the fiat back with interest. The government didn't give that money out to the councils, education trusts etc (well maybe some), they gave it to the private banks. Who kept it. To keep them 'afloat'. The government then austeritied the heck out of the British economy to repay the banks for the bonds they hold, not just the principal (which the banks have already been given :roll:) but interest on top.......Meaning they get paid 2 and a bit times).....leading to privatizations, poorer services etc.....Because QE introduces more fiat into the economy (albeit into the hands of the banks), it leads to inflation. Further lowering people's real 'purchase power'.
(EDIT: On reading that I feel I need to say I am in no way suggesting the collapse of the UK economy into austerity was solely down to Iceland's banks.)

And so it continues....

Right around the '1st world'....

The recurring theme is clear in every case bar the likes of Iceland. Government's, who are public servants, have in fact opted to serve the banks and make the people suffer. The reasons for this choice being ideological in combo with personal gain. Croneyism. This should have led to every complicit government being removed for breach of trust by now. But it hasn't.

And that's a whole new can of worms for other threads ofc.
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