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Islamic law is adopted by British legal chiefs 23 Mar 2014 07:00 #1

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Islamic law is adopted by British legal chiefs

Islamic law is to be effectively enshrined in the British legal system for the first time under guidelines for solicitors on drawing up “Sharia compliant” wills.
Under ground-breaking guidance, produced by The Law Society, High Street solicitors will be able to write Islamic wills that deny women an equal share of inheritances and exclude unbelievers altogether.
The documents, which would be recognised by Britain’s courts, will also prevent children born out of wedlock – and even those who have been adopted – from being counted as legitimate heirs.
Anyone married in a church, or in a civil ceremony, could be excluded from succession under Sharia principles, which recognise only Muslim weddings for inheritance purposes.
Nicholas Fluck, president of The Law Society, said the guidance would promote “good practice” in applying Islamic principles in the British legal system.
Some lawyers, however, described the guidance as “astonishing”, while campaigners warned it represented a major step on the road to a “parallel legal system” for Britain’s Muslim communities.
Baroness Cox, a cross-bench peer leading a Parliamentary campaign to protect women from religiously sanctioned discrimination, including from unofficial Sharia courts in Britain, said it was a “deeply disturbing” development and pledged to raise it with ministers.
“This violates everything that we stand for,” she said. “It would make the Suffragettes turn in their graves.”
The guidance, quietly published this month and distributed to solicitors in England and Wales, details how wills should be drafted to fit Islamic traditions while being valid under British law.
It suggests deleting or amending standard legal terms and even words such as “children” to ensure that those deemed “illegitimate” are denied any claim over the inheritance.
It recommends that some wills include a declaration of faith in Allah which would be drafted at a local mosque, and hands responsibility for drawing up some papers to Sharia courts.
The guidance goes on to suggest that Sharia principles could potentially overrule British practices in some disputes, giving examples of areas that would need to be tested in English courts.
Currently, Sharia principles are not formally addressed by or included in Britain’s laws.
However, a network of Sharia courts has grown up in Islamic communities to deal with disputes between Muslim families.
A few are officially recognised tribunals, operating under the Arbitration Act.
They have powers to set contracts between parties, mainly in commercial disputes, but also to deal with issues such as domestic violence, family disputes and inheritance battles.
But many more unofficial Sharia courts are also in operation.
Parliament has been told of a significant network of more informal Sharia tribunals and “councils”, often based in mosques, dealing with religious divorces and even child custody matters in line with religious teaching.
They offer “mediation” rather than adjudication, although some hearings are laid out like courts with religious scholars or legal experts sitting in a manner more akin to judges than counsellors.
One study estimated that there were now around 85 Sharia bodies operating in Britain. But the new Law Society guidance represents the first time that an official legal body has recognised the legitimacy of some Sharia principles.
It opens the way for non-Muslim lawyers in High Street firms to offer Sharia will drafting services. The document sets out crucial differences between Sharia inheritance laws and Western traditions.
It explains how, in Islamic custom, inheritances are divided among a set list of heirs determined by ties of kinship rather than named individuals. It acknowledges the possibility of people having multiple marriages.
“The male heirs in most cases receive double the amount inherited by a female heir of the same class,” the guidance says. “Non-Muslims may not inherit at all, and only Muslim marriages are recognised.
Similarly, a divorced spouse is no longer a Sharia heir, as the entitlement depends on a valid Muslim marriage existing at the date of death. This means you should amend or delete some standard will clauses.”
It advises lawyers to draft special exclusions from the Wills Act 1837, which allows gifts to pass to the children of an heir who has died, because this is not recognised in Islamic law.
Keith Porteous Wood, executive director of the National Secular Society, said: “This guidance marks a further stage in the British legal establishment’s undermining of democratically determined human rights-compliant law in favour of religious law from another era and another culture. British equality law is more comprehensive in scope and remedies than any elsewhere in the world. Instead of protecting it, The Law Society seems determined to sacrifice the progress made in the last 500 years.”
Lady Cox said: “Everyone has freedom to make their own will and everyone has freedom to let those wills reflect their religious beliefs. But to have an organisation such as The Law Society seeming to promote or encourage a policy which is inherently gender discriminatory in a way which will have very serious implications for women and possibly for children is a matter of deep concern.”

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/107168...sh-legal-chiefs.html
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Islamic law is adopted by British legal chiefs 23 Mar 2014 07:12 #2

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I'm absolutely gobsmacked. Think it's outragious. I can't believe the depths this goverment is sinking to.
Religiously sanctioned discrimination!
It's awfull, truly awfull. We've just gone one one huge step back to the dark ages. I can't believe this. Words fail me.
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Islamic law is adopted by British legal chiefs 23 Mar 2014 08:38 #3

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What's the difference between adopting one faith's marriage beliefs as law over another?
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Islamic law is adopted by British legal chiefs 23 Mar 2014 10:04 #4

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oioioi wrote:
What's the difference between adopting one faith's marriage beliefs as law over another?

If this was a new law about some type of surveillance camera you would be up in arms about creeping legislation and the infringement on human rights.
As its just a creeping law bringing in Sharia you don't seem to mind. No need for wub to move as we will soon have an Islamic state and he will be very happy then, or maybe you will all still moan at something :coffee:

:gtfo:
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Islamic law is adopted by British legal chiefs 23 Mar 2014 10:22 #5

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What we doing about all them Christian laws?

If you were as up in arms about WASP legislation you might have a point, but yer not, coz you don't ;)

Bow down before your masters lately?
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Islamic law is adopted by British legal chiefs 23 Mar 2014 10:31 #6

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Seems a bit bonkers to me, I don't see why the present legal system shouldn't apply to everyone the same so long as they are resident in that country.
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Islamic law is adopted by British legal chiefs 23 Mar 2014 10:37 #7

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This is really bad. You wouldn't reasonably expect a country to bend it's laws to accommodate your personal preferences if you emigrated, even if you personal preferences weren't riddled with discriminatory, patriarchal BS.
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Islamic law is adopted by British legal chiefs 23 Mar 2014 10:40 #8

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Yep, only Islamic law discriminates, I read it in the Daily Mail.The current system is definitely based on justice in the truest sense and equality for all.

Ffs.
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Islamic law is adopted by British legal chiefs 23 Mar 2014 10:56 #9

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oioioi wrote:
What we doing about all them Christian laws?

If you were as up in arms about WASP legislation you might have a point, but yer not, coz you don't ;)

Bow down before your masters lately?

:killinme:

Last time I checked it was church of England and church of Scotland..not Islam :band: :uk:

You are the NWO :rl:

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Yep, only Islamic law discriminates, I read it in the Daily Mail.The current system is definitely based on justice in the truest sense and equality for all.

Ffs.

Why the fuck should UK Legislation be changed for Islam ? :killinme:

Every one is =.....well in the real world they aint so get over it :shlap:
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Islamic law is adopted by British legal chiefs 23 Mar 2014 10:59 #10

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CoE or Wee Free, Ent?

In any case, I never knew you were religious.
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Islamic law is adopted by British legal chiefs 23 Mar 2014 11:03 #11

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Laws should be based on fairness, and not be directly related to any religion.
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Islamic law is adopted by British legal chiefs 23 Mar 2014 11:05 #12

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mikey mikey wrote:
CoE or Wee Free, Ent?

In any case, I never knew you were religious.

What you got a file on me then :scotty:
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Gilly wrote:
Laws should be based on fairness, and not be directly related to any religion.

I agree. I think oi's point may have been that they were never so.

Ent's point was bash the muzzies.
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Islamic law is adopted by British legal chiefs 23 Mar 2014 11:11 #14

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mikey mikey wrote:
Gilly wrote:
Laws should be based on fairness, and not be directly related to any religion.

I agree. I think oi's point may have been that they were never so.

Ent's point was bash the muzzies.

Really ? :killinme:

If I wanted to say bash the muzzies I would :axe:

Im saying why the fuck should we have Sharia law in this country when its a christian country ?

Im also saying what fucking hypocrites some people are that they cant see this Islamic creeping legislation but if it was about surveillance or some obscure law about gathering on a street it would be OMG look at the bad Government...

capiche :spank:

Just for you wub how was the spelling ? :nervous:
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Islamic law is adopted by British legal chiefs 23 Mar 2014 11:20 #15

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oi hasn't said we should have sharia law you dumb fuck, lol.
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entrangermercenary1 wrote:
Im saying why the fuck should we have Sharia law in this country when its a christian country ?

Are you a Christian? CoE or Wee Free, Ent.?

I never knew you were religious.
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Islamic law is adopted by British legal chiefs 23 Mar 2014 11:42 #17

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andyh wrote:
oi hasn't said we should have sharia law you dumb fuck, lol.

As he is agreeing with this...I guess he is....cant you read the op ? :poke:

islamic law is to be effectively enshrined in the British legal system for the first time under guidelines for solicitors on drawing up “Sharia compliant” wills.
Under ground-breaking guidance, produced by The Law Society, High Street solicitors will be able to write Islamic wills that deny women an equal share of inheritances and exclude unbelievers altogether.
The documents, which would be recognised by Britain’s courts, will also prevent children born out of wedlock – and even those who have been adopted – from being counted as legitimate heirs.
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Islamic law is adopted by British legal chiefs 23 Mar 2014 11:44 #18

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This stinks of £.
Financial incentives to follow religion......
followed by the legal system sniffing after drafting up wills that would otherwise be dealt with in Sharia courts.
Win win.
££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££
s'what it's all about.
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entrangermercenary1 wrote:
andyh wrote:
oi hasn't said we should have sharia law you dumb fuck, lol.

As he is agreeing with this...I guess he is

Since he didn't, I guess he isn't. :coffee:

CoE or Wee free? :poke:

How long have you been religious? :pop:
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mikey mikey wrote:
entrangermercenary1 wrote:
andyh wrote:
oi hasn't said we should have sharia law you dumb fuck, lol.

As he is agreeing with this...I guess he is

Since he didn't, I guess he isn't. :coffee:

CoE or Wee free? :poke:

How long have you been religious? :pop:

Are you trying to convert me to the kiddie fiddling religion ? :mad:
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