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Who Could Possibly Have Anticipated That This Would Happen? 06 Oct 2016 11:58 #1

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Sorry about the stupid format of the stupid article.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-37567866
Horizontal fracking can go ahead, the government has said, in a landmark ruling for the UK shale gas industry.
Communities Secretary Sajid Javid has approved plans for fracking at Cuadrilla's Preston New Road site at Little Plumpton in Lancashire.
A second site, Roseacre Wood, has not yet been given the green light amid concerns over the impact on the area.
It means, for the first time, UK shale rock will be fracked horizontally, which is expected to yield more gas.
But protesters say it uses techniques that risk the environment because of the chemicals and pressure used.
Lancashire County Council refused permission to extract shale gas at both sites last year on grounds of noise and traffic impact, but Cuadrilla appealed.
Cuadrilla chief executive Frances Egan said: "We have been through an exhaustive environmental impact assessment on this.
"We have assessed everything; noise, traffic, water, emissions, etc.
"The Environment Agency are entirely comfortable with it."
Environmentalists and local campaign groups reacted angrily to the decision.
Friends of the Earth campaigner Pollyanna Steiner said: "Fracking goes against everything we need to do to tackle climate change.
"The government must end its fixation with dirty fossil fuels and focus instead on harnessing the UK's huge renewable energy resource."
Pam Foster, co-founder of Residents Action on Fylde Fracking, said: "This is a total denial of democracy. Our parish council, our borough council, our county council all threw out this application.
"We have pursued every democratic channel we can do, there's nothing left for us. We're pretty disgusted and very upset."
She said the campaigners would continue to fight fracking "peacefully and legally".
Drilling companies believe trillions of cubic feet of shale gas may be recoverable from beneath parts of the UK and more than 200 onshore exploration licences have been awarded to energy companies.
In 2011, all fracking was suspended in the UK after it caused earthquakes near Blackpool. The ban was lifted in 2012.
It is not the first time fracking has been approved since the ban was lifted - but it is the first to involve horizontal drilling.
In horizontal fracking, the well is turned horizontally at depth to extract gas from a layer - or layers - of shale rock.
It is seen as far more productive than conventional vertical drilling, which goes directly through the seam and reaches a smaller area.
In May, North Yorkshire County Council approved an application by Third Energy to vertically extract shale gas at a site near Kirby Misperton in Ryedale.
This decision was never about fracking. For those against it, that argument has already been lost. The government wants a shale gas industry and on a big scale.
This was a planning issue. The government has ruled that the proposed fracking site at Preston New Road is perfect for test fracking.
In agreement with local planning officers, the secretary of state didn't think the other site, Roseacre Wood, met the planning criteria.
Whatever the reasons for Thursday's decision, it is significant. Cuadrilla wants to carry out unconventional fracking - that means drilling wells vertically and horizontally. It's never been done before on mainland Britain.
Using the latest technology, the company says huge amounts of gas could be extracted with relatively little impact above ground.
Cuadrilla expects to begin fracking at the end of 2017. Anti-fracking campaigners could delay or even stop that happening by asking for a judicial review.
They'd have to prove this decision was arrived at in an unlawful manner, and it's a costly process. But residents in Lancashire know it's more than likely their area is the testing ground for a future industry.
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Who Could Possibly Have Anticipated That This Would Happen? 06 Oct 2016 16:53 #2

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With a Self Serving, Public Purse Robbing, Psychopathic, Bullington Boys Based government.... who could have seen it coming? Democracy (such as it was) openly dead and Tyranny overtly in place. Well, they wanted a Tory government. They got it, I guess.

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Who Could Possibly Have Anticipated That This Would Happen? 06 Oct 2016 20:02 #3

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I'd wager this is beyond party politics. To me this seems to be the ruling 'class' saying yah boo sucks to unimportant stuff like, people, democracy, the local and global environment, decency, fair play, common sense....and huzzah to fuck the lot of em lets make some more wonga.
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Who Could Possibly Have Anticipated That This Would Happen? 06 Oct 2016 20:07 #4

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They'd have to prove this decision was arrived at in an unlawful manner, and it's a costly process.

Over riding the democratic will of the people and the bodies that supposedly represent them is lawlessness.
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Who Could Possibly Have Anticipated That This Would Happen? 06 Oct 2016 20:37 #5

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I'd wager this is beyond party politics. To me this seems to be the ruling 'class' saying yah boo sucks to unimportant stuff like, people, democracy, the local and global environment, decency, fair play, common sense....and huzzah to fuck the lot of em lets make some more wonga.


....umm... but that IS the party politic Tory Party! :D
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Who Could Possibly Have Anticipated That This Would Happen? 07 Oct 2016 05:10 #6

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Lol, i doubt the folk behind shizzle like fracking give a monkeys what colour number 10s curtains are though :D
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Who Could Possibly Have Anticipated That This Would Happen? 07 Oct 2016 09:30 #7

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I don't know why they even bother having the pointless theatre of a supposed assessment process. They might as well just say, "look, we're going to carry out fracking, we're overruling the decision made locally, that's it, we don't care about the environmental impact, we don't care about the local population, wealthy people want this to happen, so it's happening". The BBC would still try and spin it. This was an unusually bold statement by an increasingly confident prime minister. Most people will be more interested in Coronation Street and the X-Factor anyway.
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Who Could Possibly Have Anticipated That This Would Happen? 07 Oct 2016 21:41 #8

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Honesty from government, WUB? They'd turn to dust! That would be nearly as lethal as spraying themselves with Holy Water. :D
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Who Could Possibly Have Anticipated That This Would Happen? 07 Oct 2016 22:17 #9

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One of the marksnongenderspecifics would take them out before any honest word every actually managed to leave their mouth...
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Who Could Possibly Have Anticipated That This Would Happen? 10 Oct 2016 20:20 #10

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They don't get much out of it after all the expense, I don't see the point when Norway has it in abundance.
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Who Could Possibly Have Anticipated That This Would Happen? 11 Oct 2016 20:16 #11

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I think there are probably some widely held myths about the dangers of fracking - but there are likely some unestablished facts about the dangers and some burying of evidence in the usual self-serving & self-referencing manner.

Water is a big issue with fracking - it requires absolutely loads of it. Another big energy drain. Then there's the problem of what to do with the waste water (which isn't all retrievable) that is laden with chemicals. What happens to the rest of it should be of grave concern, although it is contested that this remains in some sort of impervious way in the rock.

Regarding the democratic issue, it could be argued that people have voted for a system of governance which may over-rule any localised democracy. But that presents another good chance to have a dig at people that vote. :chuckle:

Obviously ultimately I'm completely against it.
Ecotricity is a company in the South West that makes gas out of grass. They claim (by their own and possibly self-serving study) that if they had enough plants that they would be able to supply the entire country with gas from grass. No more arsing about heavily with nature required.
It's entirely more appealing.
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Who Could Possibly Have Anticipated That This Would Happen? 12 Oct 2016 10:46 #12

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Im actually a bit stunned they banned fracking in Victoria, Australia... i didnt expect that to happen and thought it would go the other way.

www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/aug...seam-gas-exploration

if they had gone ahead and it eventually affected (fucked up) the food production and water, it wouldve fucked up all of victoria though as most of it is a big farm so i suppose they didnt want to deal with hundreds of thousands of unemployed people and the flow on effects if the worst occured.

A good chunk of the water used in growing food and watering animals comes from under the ground and this was a major concern for many and probably what tipped it the way it went.
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Who Could Possibly Have Anticipated That This Would Happen? 12 Oct 2016 21:07 #13

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andyh wrote:
They don't get much out of it after all the expense, I don't see the point when Norway has it in abundance.
I don't know this for certain, but I have the feeling that it's like this scene from Goodfellas:



Any large infrastructure projects are just a racket. They will automatically get the go ahead because all kinds of kickbacks, taxation and other benefits for the government, and ultimately the financial sector, will occur. They can boast about the number of 'jobs' being created, they can add it on to the GDP, they can claim it's an example of investment. They can state that the UK is now importing less of its oil and this is an economic success story. Who cares if it makes a profit? If anyone too big fails, the public will bail them out, and all profits are privatised. Then when they're finished with it, they'll just figuratively burn that project, and move on to another one.

That's why something like HS2 happens. It doesn't matter about rational arguments against it. It doesn't matter about campaigns against it. The government still insists that it will be built. Because it's all a fucking racket anyway and they're the mafia, and if it doesn't work they can just burn the restaurants down.

And even better...they can do this legally! They don't even need to beat anyone up!
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