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Are some British muslims fighting for the elite in the middle east. 09 Sep 2012 13:50 #1

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It's just a theory i have about some Muslims that are living in Britain.

The reason i have formed this idea is i am always skeptical of TPTB and their reasons for doing things.

Why would the British government have promoted immigration from Muslim countries over the past few years?

Could it be that the elite have been planning a massive take over of most regimes in the middle east and by indoctrinating some Muslims in Britain to overthrow the present regimes in Egypt,Syria,Iran etc?

This could be a technique used in other countries where there has been an influx of Muslims.

If your average person switched on the news and saw one group of brown people fighting another group of brown people they wouldn't question if it was an outside force trying to take over the country,they would think it was a civil war going on,where as in reality one group could be a ragtag group of radicalised Muslims fighting on behalf the Elite in the west.
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Re: Are some British muslims fighting for the elite in the middle east. 09 Sep 2012 17:11 #2

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Why ship them all in to the country when you can just send financial support and weapons?
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Re: Are some British muslims fighting for the elite in the middle east. 09 Sep 2012 17:18 #3

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There is no 'promotion' of immigration from muslim countries to the UK in the past few years.
In fact if anything, the last time it was properly 'promoted' as such was back in the 60's and 70's. Its the crowd that originally arrived back then who are themselves looking for cheap labour from their original countries via family contacts etc.

Since the EU, migrants can come in without a visa from EU countries but again there's no particular 'promotion' of it. Its nothing more than the result of the inevitable due to conditions in those countries being worse than the UK. Other 'good' EU states such as France,Germany, Scandinavia etc suffer from similar issues for the same reasons.
English is a second language for many middle eastern or indian/paskistani people and french would be the second language for north african muslims so the UK and France will bear the brunt of it, its inevitable.
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Re: Are some British muslims fighting for the elite in the middle east. 09 Sep 2012 18:17 #4

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andyh wrote:
There is no 'promotion' of immigration from muslim countries to the UK in the past few years.
In fact if anything, the last time it was properly 'promoted' as such was back in the 60's and 70's. Its the crowd that originally arrived back then who are themselves looking for cheap labour from their original countries via family contacts etc.
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I live in Manchester and would disagree with your statement andyh based on my own eyes and conversations with some Muslims,You might not notice living in the countryside in Ireland.

It is promoted by the elite who find Muslims with political views which are of use to the elite,some of these Muslims i speak of call themselves Persians.

An article off the web regarding British nationals fighting abroad.

British volunteers fighting in Syria

An investigation by BBC’s Radio4 Today programme has revealed a growing number of British men going to fight in Syria.

The report revealed that dozens of men have traveled from London and the Midlands to assist the Syrian rebels, in what some fear is a ‘theatre of jihad’.

Security Correspondent Frank Gardner was tipped off to the movement by testimony from British photographers kidnapped by the Free Syrian Army last month. The photographers reported hearing British accents among their captors. Gardner traveled to Birmingham to investigate and found that scores of young men had already made the trip.

The concept of volunteer fighters from the UK is not new. Last year saw many British based Libyans, particularly from Manchester, going to join the uprising. However, those traveling to Syria are not Syrian and have no national or ethnic connection to the struggle. Instead, Gardner suggested, they are taking part in an international jihad.

Birmingham Labour MP Khalid Mahmood worries about the long term consequences of the rebel movement, likening the conflict to British support of the Afghanistan war, which toppled the Russian invasion and led to the implementation of the Taliban.

‘I am extremely concerned at the moment because I see similar things to what has happened during the initial stages of the Afghanistan war, where we were supporting the Mujahideen against the Russians. We wanted to get the Russians out and we encouraged people, and armed people, to go out there and fight. To go and fight for the jihad,’ he told Gardner.

The British government is adamant that it is not arming anybody, and officials said they would discourage Britain thinking of fighting.

Help or hindrance?
Syrian freelance journalist Malik Al-Abdeh explained to Gardener how outsider help isn’t always welcome.

‘People inside Syria, they don’t necessarily want those people coming to fight,’ he said in an interview. ‘I head from Free Syrian Army contacts that actually we’re not in great need of foreigners coming to fight. Actually these foreigners hamper the effort inside Syria, because you’ve got language barrier, different culture, they don’t have knowledge of the local area and so on.’

Theatre of jihad
Experts now worry that the Syrian conflict could become an Al-Qaida training camp for international jihadists.

Peter Neumann, professor of Security Studies at Kings College London, told the Today Programme, ‘Certainly Al-Qaida is trying to take advantage of the situation in Syria. When the Arab revolutions first happened early last year Al-Qaida was fairly silent… it was not the sort of this that was supposed to happen, because Al-Qaida is about armed revolution and these revolutions are peaceful. Now with the situation in Syria Al-Qaida a suddenly perceives an opportunity.’

In a Russian television interview posted by the Guardian Syrian president Bashar al-Assad confirms the presence of foreign fighters saying, ‘Yes there are some foreign mercenaries, some of them are alive. They were detained and we are going to expose them.’ He goes on to explains that the Free Syrian Army is obtaining weapons from outside the country, mostly from Lebanon and Turkey, but that their governments are not necessarily involved.

Meanwhile an article in the Washington Post earlier this week examined how US economic sanctions on the Syrian government may inadvertently be harming the resistance movement. Sanctions put in place by the Obama administration have lead to many Western technology firms breaking relations with Syria. However this has also had consequences for the rebel movement as it has restricted online tools, such as e-mails, blogs and anti-tracking software that could be used to covertly coordinate rebel groups. Social media proved a key tool in many of the ‘Arab Spring’ uprisings last year.

The conflict in Syria is far from over. Bloody images of destruction, inflicted by both sides of the conflict, are hard to ignore. But the impact of foreign influence is yet to be fully seen.

www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2012/08/16...s-fighting-in-syria/
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Re: Are some British muslims fighting for the elite in the middle east. 09 Sep 2012 20:30 #5

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Edit my original statement-

I was getting Muslim mixed up with ethnicity and origin of country.

I should have wrote are some British people rather than British Muslims.
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Re: Are some British muslims fighting for the elite in the middle east. 09 Sep 2012 22:50 #6

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I live in Manchester and would disagree with your statement andyh based on my own eyes and conversations with some Muslims,You might not notice living in the countryside in Ireland.

I only came here 5 years ago.
I grew up in Westhoughton close to Manc and I've lived all over Yorks and Cumbria (I know Bradford well for example)
I'm also over 40 yrs old now so I know all too well how it started, oi for example is most likely from sililar origins as myself and gone abroad himself too I suspect he is from Salford...
So its wrong to say I know nowt about it ;)
It is promoted by the elite who find Muslims with political views which are of use to the elite,some of these Muslims i speak of call themselves Persians.
How exactly? Do they have adverts promoting free govt paid travel to the UK?
They don't do they? :D
An article off the web regarding British nationals fighting abroad.

British volunteers fighting in Syria

An investigation by BBC’s Radio4 Today programme has revealed a growing number of British men going to fight in Syria.

The report revealed that dozens of men have traveled from London and the Midlands to assist the Syrian rebels, in what some fear is a ‘theatre of jihad’.

Security Correspondent Frank Gardner was tipped off to the movement by testimony from British photographers kidnapped by the Free Syrian Army last month. The photographers reported hearing British accents among their captors. Gardner traveled to Birmingham to investigate and found that scores of young men had already made the trip.

The concept of volunteer fighters from the UK is not new. Last year saw many British based Libyans, particularly from Manchester, going to join the uprising. However, those traveling to Syria are not Syrian and have no national or ethnic connection to the struggle. Instead, Gardner suggested, they are taking part in an international jihad.
So its british based libyans who are british or not british??
It says young so perhaps British yep? Young brit muslims shall we say?
Birmingham Labour MP Khalid Mahmood worries about the long term consequences of the rebel movement, likening the conflict to British support of the Afghanistan war, which toppled the Russian invasion and led to the implementation of the Taliban.

‘I am extremely concerned at the moment because I see similar things to what has happened during the initial stages of the Afghanistan war, where we were supporting the Mujahideen against the Russians. We wanted to get the Russians out and we encouraged people, and armed people, to go out there and fight. To go and fight for the jihad,’ he told Gardner.

The British government is adamant that it is not arming anybody, and officials said they would discourage Britain thinking of fighting.

So the british govt is not encouraging it?
Help or hindrance?
Syrian freelance journalist Malik Al-Abdeh explained to Gardener how outsider help isn’t always welcome.

‘People inside Syria, they don’t necessarily want those people coming to fight,’ he said in an interview. ‘I head from Free Syrian Army contacts that actually we’re not in great need of foreigners coming to fight. Actually these foreigners hamper the effort inside Syria, because you’ve got language barrier, different culture, they don’t have knowledge of the local area and so on.’

Theatre of jihad
Experts now worry that the Syrian conflict could become an Al-Qaida training camp for international jihadists.

Peter Neumann, professor of Security Studies at Kings College London, told the Today Programme, ‘Certainly Al-Qaida is trying to take advantage of the situation in Syria. When the Arab revolutions first happened early last year Al-Qaida was fairly silent… it was not the sort of this that was supposed to happen, because Al-Qaida is about armed revolution and these revolutions are peaceful. Now with the situation in Syria Al-Qaida a suddenly perceives an opportunity.’
Are you sure this isn't the Brit govt trying to paint Brit muslims as all being 'jihadi terrorists'?
Perhaps the Brit media?
In a Russian television interview posted by the Guardian Syrian president Bashar al-Assad confirms the presence of foreign fighters saying, ‘Yes there are some foreign mercenaries, some of them are alive. They were detained and we are going to expose them.’ He goes on to explains that the Free Syrian Army is obtaining weapons from outside the country, mostly from Lebanon and Turkey, but that their governments are not necessarily involved.

So Assad is in on this elite conspiracy by saying their govt is not involved then? :)
Meanwhile an article in the Washington Post earlier this week examined how US economic sanctions on the Syrian government may inadvertently be harming the resistance movement. Sanctions put in place by the Obama administration have lead to many Western technology firms breaking relations with Syria. However this has also had consequences for the rebel movement as it has restricted online tools, such as e-mails, blogs and anti-tracking software that could be used to covertly coordinate rebel groups. Social media proved a key tool in many of the ‘Arab Spring’ uprisings last year.
Yeah I can believe that for sure, modern tech and comms has certainly helped fuel a lot of stuff lately both good and bad.
The conflict in Syria is far from over. Bloody images of destruction, inflicted by both sides of the conflict, are hard to ignore. But the impact of foreign influence is yet to be fully seen.

www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2012/08/16...s-fighting-in-syria/

So where's the evidence that the elite are recruiting muslims to the UK to specifically then go and fight abroad?
Why bother dragging them over here in the first place and where are the adverts for it?
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Re: Are some British muslims fighting for the elite in the middle east. 09 Sep 2012 23:13 #7

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I grew up in Westhoughton close to Manc

Really?
First time you've mentioned that you're a Keawyeds (cowhead) andy... :larf:

....you know the story behind the name I take it... :D
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Re: Are some British muslims fighting for the elite in the middle east. 09 Sep 2012 23:22 #8

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andyh wrote:
I grew up in Westhoughton close to Manc

Really?
First time you've mentioned that you're a Keawyeds (cowhead) andy... :larf:

....you know the story behind the name I take it... :D

Yep I'm a cowyead :)

I suppose..lol...although I wasn't born there :)

I went to washacre primary school and aspull high school afterwards, left aspull half way through though and went abroad then to saudi arabia as my dad worked there and then doha, qatar.
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Re: Are some British muslims fighting for the elite in the middle east. 09 Sep 2012 23:28 #9

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andyh wrote:
...oi for example is most likely from sililar origins as myself and gone abroad himself too I suspect he is from Salford...

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Re: Are some British muslims fighting for the elite in the middle east. 09 Sep 2012 23:29 #10

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I'm not really in a position to mock seeing as some of my family originated from Westhoughton :emb:

:D But the story is funny nontheless....
The people of Westhoughton are known as "Howfeners" or "Keawyeds" (cow heads) or a combination of the two "Keawyedners", and the town is known as "Keawyed City". Folklore ("re-invented" in the 1920s) describes a farmer who found his cow with its head stuck in a five barred gate, and, rather than damage the gate, cut the cow's head off, as the cow cost less than the gate.
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...oi for example is most likely from sililar origins as myself and gone abroad himself too I suspect he is from Salford...

:secret:

lol i'm going by the accent but its tricky :p
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Re: Are some British muslims fighting for the elite in the middle east. 09 Sep 2012 23:31 #12

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I'm not really in a position to mock seeing as some of my family originated from Westhoughton :emb:

:D But the story is funny nontheless....
The people of Westhoughton are known as "Howfeners" or "Keawyeds" (cow heads) or a combination of the two "Keawyedners", and the town is known as "Keawyed City". Folklore ("re-invented" in the 1920s) describes a farmer who found his cow with its head stuck in a five barred gate, and, rather than damage the gate, cut the cow's head off, as the cow cost less than the gate.

Thats reet aye :p
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Have ya ever heard of shittin o'er a 5 bar gate when you have diarrhea? :D
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Have ya ever heard of shittin o'er a 5 bar gate when you have diarrhea? :D

Go on enlighten me :D
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These people may not actually be British citizens but stay in this country.

There is evidence of foreign nationals fighting against Syrian nationals in and against the Syrian government, mostly from Egypt, Algeria, Saudi Arabia, and Afghanistan.


"The Syrian government says that the chaos is being orchestrated from outside the country, and there are reports that a very large number of the armed militants are foreign nationals, mostly from Egypt, Algeria, Saudi Arabia, and Afghanistan."

www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/08/25/258033/...-interests-in-syria/

The elite in the west have been planning this purge in the middle east for a while now so who is to say the elite don't use Britain as a base for some of their fighters?
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Stop de-railing the thread humanspirit :chuckle:
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Stop de-railing the thread humanspirit :chuckle:

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...oi for example is most likely from sililar origins as myself and gone abroad himself too I suspect he is from Salford...

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lol i'm going by the accent but its tricky :p

Aye, tis a dirty old town accent...slightly tinged with Bolton, Stockport and trying to speak English without an accent!
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andyh wrote:
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...oi for example is most likely from sililar origins as myself and gone abroad himself too I suspect he is from Salford...

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lol i'm going by the accent but its tricky :p

Aye, tis a dirty old town accent...slightly tinged with Bolton, Stockport and trying to speak English without an accent!

Very close to me put it that way :)
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Re: Are some British muslims fighting for the elite in the middle east. 10 Sep 2012 00:01 #20

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These people may not actually be British citizens but stay in this country.

There is evidence of foreign nationals fighting against Syrian nationals in and against the Syrian government, mostly from Egypt, Algeria, Saudi Arabia, and Afghanistan.


"The Syrian government says that the chaos is being orchestrated from outside the country, and there are reports that a very large number of the armed militants are foreign nationals, mostly from Egypt, Algeria, Saudi Arabia, and Afghanistan."

www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/08/25/258033/...-interests-in-syria/

The elite in the west have been planning this purge in the middle east for a while now so who is to say the elite don't use Britain as a base for some of their fighters?

So where does Britain advertise for these people and specifically bring them here and then send them back out there?
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