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What Next? 11 May 2012 02:29 #1

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Say the illuminati/governments (the two are intertwined in my head,but maybe they are in fact different things,so feel free to correct that) were removed. What happens then? What WOULD happen,do you think?

Would the whole thing simply start up again with different people? And,if it did,then that would mean the answer (or question) is beyond something as simple as "the illuminati",it would imply there is a deep flaw in the make up of humanity itself,and/or there is something deeper at work suppressing the mass raising of consciousness. In which case,all focus on the illuminati would a misdirection that isn't going to help anything,since it would be going for the symptom,not the cause.

I guess this is an impossible question really,but it would be interesting to hear others' theories on a potential aftermath.
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Re: What Next? 11 May 2012 03:05 #2

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myshoono wrote:
Say the illuminati/governments (the two are intertwined in my head,but maybe they are in fact different things,so feel free to correct that) were removed. What happens then? What WOULD happen,do you think?

Would the whole thing simply start up again with different people? And,if it did,then that would mean the answer (or question) is beyond something as simple as "the illuminati",it would imply there is a deep flaw in the make up of humanity itself,and/or there is something deeper at work suppressing the mass raising of consciousness. In which case,all focus on the illuminati would a misdirection that isn't going to help anything,since it would be going for the symptom,not the cause.

I guess this is an impossible question really,but it would be interesting to hear others' theories on a potential aftermath.

You've pretty much summarised my thinking on the issue. Whilst we're focusing on 'them' and 'us' we're really no closer to solving some of the issues we actually face as a group.

Once people start to step back and appreciate the wonder that is their life, here on this beautiful planet, I think things will start to change. At present, we're also all focused on money and posessions, which is one of the nice things life has to offer, but it isn't everything, which is the trap we have fallen in to.

As long as 'we' look for leadership from someone other than ourselves and perceive the world around us as being something seperate from ourselves, we're pretty much doomed to repeat similar cycles over and over (and we have).

Don't sweat it either way though. Nothing happens by accident and it's all good in the grand scheme of things.
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Re: What Next? 11 May 2012 03:19 #3

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More than likely it would start with great hope and a sterling era that would be short lived as Man's complications and frailties would come into play.
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Re: What Next? 11 May 2012 05:47 #4

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Humanity is at present fatally exposed to it's own weakness, conditioning and selfishness.

So long as we have external gods, see nature as akin to an enemy, live in fear etc etc we will always be prey to the power crazed. Should the current structure go, a new one will soon be in it's stead.

Therefore the real task is for people to face up to themselves and take responsibility.
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Re: What Next? 11 May 2012 05:52 #5

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You've pretty much summarised my thinking on the issue. Whilst we're focusing on 'them' and 'us' we're really no closer to solving some of the issues we actually face as a group.

Once people start to step back and appreciate the wonder that is their life, here on this beautiful planet, I think things will start to change. At present, we're also all focused on money and posessions, which is one of the nice things life has to offer, but it isn't everything, which is the trap we have fallen in to.

As long as 'we' look for leadership from someone other than ourselves and perceive the world around us as being something seperate from ourselves, we're pretty much doomed to repeat similar cycles over and over (and we have).

Don't sweat it either way though. Nothing happens by accident and it's all good in the grand scheme of things.

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Re: What Next? 11 May 2012 22:43 #6

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Good posts :) I too feel it's important to be responsible for oneself,seeing that self-responsibility doesn't exclude co-operation but actually nurtures it. If everyone took responsibiltiy for their own actions there would be a lot more freedom in the world full stop. To shift the blame onto others imprisons oneself. It's effectively rendering oneself powerless.

And special attention to working in co-operation with nature,because if we don't we could throw the whole thing off balance (very telling that governments/"illuminati" seem to be at constant war with nature).

Really,as far back as the palaeolithic era there were depictions of the “spirit world”,things unseen to us,intangible and unknown but nonetheless intuited. From what we know; they also believed that aspects of nature were gods and goddesses. They acknowledged these natural phenomena as a higher order to which humanity is a part,and there were very real consequences to our perverting the order of nature to our own ends. This is what they,without any scientific knowledge,intuited. Nowadays we can see in evidence the proof of these intuitions.
Nature and the natural order is perfect. Humankind,as it currently stands,is the anomaly,the corruption in the system. The paradox is how nature (in it’s perfection) could create something which is a threat to it’s continuation >_<


In the natural world; all life on earth (even down to a molecular level) has a role which contributes to the overall harmony. Life-forms “feed” upon and are in turn “food” for other life-forms. This process maintains order as well as sustaining itself. Throughout the whole of nature there are processes which exist purely to produce and sustain energy transfer through all levels of life up to humankind. It seems,however,that humankind cannot fit into the natural order and,on the contrary,our actions seem to damage and threaten to destroy these processes.

In the natural order; we could say that the main function of life is that of energy exchange through the principles of natural relationships supporting each other. As humanity is also connected to,and governed by,nature; we too must have a place in this system; to take part in energy transfer (feeding off of the lower levels and being food for the higher) while maintaining a mutual relationship with both to ensure the sustaining and perpetuation of the whole.

But there is something wrong with humankind. We are not fulfilling our role. Even in the Bible; there was the “garden”,which signifies nature and the natural order,and all was perfection. But humankind was corrupted,and banished from this garden; we are OUTSIDE of the natural order. In fact,strip out the religious dogma and replace the word “god” in the bible with the word “nature” and things start making a little more sense,including the punishments and plagues inflicted upon humanity.

To accept that we are part of nature means to accept the logical conclusion that there are forces higher than ourselves. Since we play a role in energy transfer,then we must be “food” for some higher beings or consciousness. Since everything influences everything else; each level of life is food for another which feeds off of it in some way,so if on one level there is a deficiency then the level above which feeds off of it will suffer,and so too will the level below. If we say that humankind is a link in the natural order then we must be influenced by and influence other levels of life.

We can witness how humankind is influenced by the levels below us in our daily needs for survival as a species. And to some extent we can also witness how we are influenced by the levels above us when it comes to such things as weather patterns which we are dependent upon. We could think of the next level up from our own as the planet itself; a belief held long into the past by the Native Americans and other cultures throughout the world.

Since our planet sustains our own life and all life we know,then it too must be a life-form itself,ad infinitum into a vast unknown universe :) This supports the natural theory of energy transfer through mutual relationships where one form of life feeds off and is food for another. If the Earth is a form of life above us then we are influenced by it and other planets,such as how the gravitational force of the moon has an effect on our tides. This relates to old theories of astrology and the position of planets affecting the people on Earth.

I guess we just have to "BE",really. That's the short version :D
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