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TOPIC: Foster Children Removed by Social Workers Because Parents Support UKIP

Re: Foster Children Removed by Social Workers Because Parents Support UKIP 27 Nov 2012 16:26 #21

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dubmeup wrote:
Racist no, protectionist yes.
Immigration policies are a total red herring. The issue is the distribution of wealth. Until we as a species address that, we are at best papering over cracks.

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^This in the other hand is an example of what I would deem to be true libertarianism ;)
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Re: Foster Children Removed by Social Workers Because Parents Support UKIP 27 Nov 2012 22:53 #22

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I must admit to having been shocked by this. What on Earth is happening to intellectual freedom? It's a great example of how some so-say "liberals" actually end up being quite fascist in their outlook. I feel really sorry for the children - they have apparently been split up now which I thought might happen as it's very difficult to foster brothers and sisters together. It seems to me that the interests of the children have not come first here; rather, their well-being has been sacrificed to a very peculiar ideology.

I'm not entirely sure about the definition of "libertarian". I think I'm probably fairly traditionalist in many of my opinions - but I do try and respect other people's. Live and let live! Mostly, though, I suspect I'm middle-of-the-road, like all good Librans should be!

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Re: Foster Children Removed by Social Workers Because Parents Support UKIP 28 Nov 2012 01:00 #23

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The way I feel about this issue is that a foster home should be selected on the basis of whether they will care for the child, provide a stable home, and provide a clean, safe and sanitised environment, possibly you can argue that financial solvency could be taken into account. It my view that should be it. I don't think political views should be taken into consideration whatsoever. I believe in total free speech, and that means tolerating views that we find repulsive. If you go down the road of not allowing willing and able foster parents to take children in because of their political views then why not take children off their natural parents if they're BNP supporters? Surely no-one would advocate this measure, yet in practical terms, what is the difference between the two? And who's going to decide what is or isn't an acceptable opinion or political stance. Well, it's the State themselves, it's the same State that we're constantly, and justifiably, criticising for removing children from stable, loving homes.

I also think it gives a complete lack of credence to a child's ability to make up their own mind about things. Yes, your parents have a huge influence over you, but does anyone here agree with their parents on every issue? I seriously doubt it. Does it automatically follow that if your parents have a certain political view that you'll follow it yourself? Of course not.

If two people who aren't a child's natural parents can give a child that's in a difficult situation shelter, warmth, comfort, food, a sense of belonging and love then I'm willing to turn a blind eye to the fact that they may have a higher opinion of Nick Griffin than I do (which wouldn't be hard). In fact, I couldn't give a shit what their political views are in this situation. This may seem an extreme view, but if you'd worked for the Child Support Agency, you may have ended up with a different perspective, as I have.
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Re: Foster Children Removed by Social Workers Because Parents Support UKIP 28 Nov 2012 22:49 #24

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wake_up_bomb wrote:
I'm willing to turn a blind eye

:chuckle:
So is Nick.

No, there's nothing to suggest that having racist parents - foster or otherwise would definitely lead to a child being a racist, or even following their political values. If the [potential] foster parents have had previous convictions for racist actions obviously that's a different matter. Political affiliation purely by voting simply isn't a strong enough case.
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Re: Foster Children Removed by Social Workers Because Parents Support UKIP 28 Nov 2012 23:15 #25

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One of the reasons I'm anti-capitalist is because I'm anti-immigration solely for the purposes of serving capitalism.

One of the reasons I am antifa is because I'm anti-discrimination against those exploited solely for the purposes of serving capitalism.

Does that mean I can't adopt racist capitalist kids?

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Re: Foster Children Removed by Social Workers Because Parents Support UKIP 28 Nov 2012 23:19 #26

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We're all Capitalists, like it or not.
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Re: Foster Children Removed by Social Workers Because Parents Support UKIP 28 Nov 2012 23:21 #27

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diamondgeezer wrote:
We're all Capitalists, like it or not.

Agreed.

I'm not really an anarchist as I don't practice anarchism on a day to day basis but I believe in anarchism.

I partake in capitalism on a day to day basis but I believe I'm an anti-capitalist.

The existential conundrum.
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Re: Foster Children Removed by Social Workers Because Parents Support UKIP 28 Nov 2012 23:35 #28

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All of the 'ism's' are really just different forms of capitalism in actuality. With a world-wide monetary system in place controlling everything, how could they not be?
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Re: Foster Children Removed by Social Workers Because Parents Support UKIP 28 Nov 2012 23:40 #29

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diamondgeezer wrote:
All of the 'ism's' are really just different forms of capitalism in actuality. With a world-wide monetary system in place controlling everything, how could they not be?

Not all of them, if they were actually allowed to exist beyond ideas. But capitalism has a lot invested in seeing to it that certain 'isms' don't see the light of day as it would be game over.
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Re: Foster Children Removed by Social Workers Because Parents Support UKIP 28 Nov 2012 23:55 #30

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oioioi wrote:
diamondgeezer wrote:
All of the 'ism's' are really just different forms of capitalism in actuality. With a world-wide monetary system in place controlling everything, how could they not be?

Not all of them, if they were actually allowed to exist beyond ideas. But capitalism has a lot invested in seeing to it that certain 'isms' don't see the light of day as it would be game over.

Its true that capitalism by its very nature stifles the emergence of anything truly 'different' from itself.

However, the 'ism's that have managed to move beyond the idea stage into actual existence (communism, socialism, nazism etc) have all turned out to be nothing more than bastardised versions of capitalism.
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Re: Foster Children Removed by Social Workers Because Parents Support UKIP 29 Nov 2012 00:28 #31

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diamondgeezer wrote:
oioioi wrote:
diamondgeezer wrote:
All of the 'ism's' are really just different forms of capitalism in actuality. With a world-wide monetary system in place controlling everything, how could they not be?

Not all of them, if they were actually allowed to exist beyond ideas. But capitalism has a lot invested in seeing to it that certain 'isms' don't see the light of day as it would be game over.

Its true that capitalism by its very nature stifles the emergence of anything truly 'different' from itself.

However, the 'ism's that have managed to move beyond the idea stage into actual existence (communism, socialism, nazism etc) have all turned out to be nothing more than bastardised versions of capitalism.

And you know which 'ism' I'd argue has never really been allowed to see the light of day then I'd ask "why is that?" ;)
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Re: Foster Children Removed by Social Workers Because Parents Support UKIP 29 Nov 2012 00:32 #32

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They removed the children because they thought UKIP foster parents were going to

a) corrupt their minds

or

b) abuse them

I have no real sense of what UKIP is about , it doesn't even appear on the voting papers up here ...........but I do know they (the council) are wrong by removing the foster children
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