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Re: Two chemical weapons tales in 24 hours 08 Dec 2012 14:36 #21

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Re: Two chemical weapons tales in 24 hours 08 Dec 2012 14:51 #22

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Not only has there been the Iraq WMD thing, but there has also been the very similar justifications for wars in Kosovo and Libya, which both turned out to be a complete disaster, the open arming of Saddam with chemical weapons by the United States, with Bechtel even building the factories involved, a policy that Britain supported and participated in, and the fact that Britain has used chemical weapons in the past, and 'the greatest Briton' Winson Churchill criticised parliament for opposing the use of chemical weapons, and strongly advocated their use. See here:

www.internationalist.org/chemwarhoax0503a.html
The birth of Iraq was presided over by Winston Churchill, an arrogant, brutal colonialist and imperialist who to this day is honored as a “statesman” in bourgeois histories. At the time Churchill was British secretary of state for the colonies. He had earlier promised Arabian ruler Sharif Hussein to install his son, Feisal, as ruler of Syria. When the French grabbed Damascus in the diplomatic horse-trading, Churchill gave Feisal the lands formerly known as Mesopotamia, lying between the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers, as a consolation prize. Repeatedly from 1919 on, the population of what is now Iraq rose up against the Hashemite ruler and his British patrons. In June 1920, a full-scale rebellion broke out. British garrisons were taken by surprise as the revolt spread throughout the lower Euphrates valley. In August, the insurgents declared a provisional Arab government. But by February 1921, the revolt had been crushed, with between 8,000 and 9,000 rebels killed. This was accomplished mainly through the use of air power, by the Royal Air Force (RAF), which mercilessly bombed the insurgents using incendiary weapons and poison gas.

Before the outbreak of the rebellion, the RAF asked Churchill in 1919 for permission to use chemical weapons “against recalcitrant Arabs as an experiment.” Churchill (then secretary of state for war) in turn asked experts if it would be possible to use “some kind of asphyxiating bombs calculated to cause disablement of some kind but not death…for use in preliminary operations against turbulent tribes.” He added: “I do not understand this squeamishness about the use of gas. I am strongly in favour of using poison gas against uncivilised tribes” which “spread a lively terror.” General Sir Aylmer Haldane wrote that poison gas was more useful against the hilly Kurdish redoubts, while “in the hot plains…the gas is more volatile” (quoted in Geoff Simmons, Iraq: From Sumer to Saddam [MacMillan Press, 1994]). In fact, the weapons used by the RAF in its “civilizing mission” against the “turbulent tribes” were quite lethal. The British cabinet was squeamish, but Churchill argued that use of gas should not be prevented “by the prejudices of those who do not think clearly.” Eventually, poison gas was used on Iraqi rebels, with what the illustrious “statesman” described as “excellent moral effect” (quoted in David Omissi, Air Power and Colonial Control. The Royal Air Force, 1919-1939 [Manchester University Press, 1990]).
Apart from that, they've got a valid argument.
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Re: Two chemical weapons tales in 24 hours 08 Dec 2012 14:56 #23

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Re: Two chemical weapons tales in 24 hours 08 Dec 2012 15:22 #24

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Just in time for de end of de world, innit bloods

Fucking cunts won't be satisfied untill we all go boom, nukes, chefs and god know s what else, wtf do the elite think they will do with what's left? It makes little sence from that POV.
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Re: Two chemical weapons tales in 24 hours 12 Dec 2012 00:26 #25

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20690148
Obama recognises Syria opposition coalition

The US has formally recognised Syria's opposition rebel coalition as the "legitimate representative" of the Syrian people, says President Obama.

Speaking to ABC News in the US, Mr Obama said the coalition was now "inclusive enough, is reflective and representative enough".

He described the move - already made by the UK and the EU - as "a big step".

"Obviously, with that recognition comes responsibilities," Mr Obama said.

"To make sure that they organise themselves effectively, that they are representative of all the parties, [and] that they commit themselves to a political transition that respects women's rights and minority rights."
The rights of 'minorities'. Would that be people who are still alive once the NATO invasion and inevitable occupation has unfolded?
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Re: Two chemical weapons tales in 24 hours 12 Dec 2012 00:29 #26

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wake_up_bomb wrote:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20690148
Obama recognises Syria opposition coalition

The US has formally recognised Syria's opposition rebel coalition as the "legitimate representative" of the Syrian people, says President Obama.

Speaking to ABC News in the US, Mr Obama said the coalition was now "inclusive enough, is reflective and representative enough".

He described the move - already made by the UK and the EU - as "a big step".

"Obviously, with that recognition comes responsibilities," Mr Obama said.

"To make sure that they organise themselves effectively, that they are representative of all the parties, [and] that they commit themselves to a political transition that respects women's rights and minority rights."
The rights of 'minorities'. Would that be people who are still alive once the NATO invasion and inevitable occupation has unfolded?

They're going in I think.
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Re: Two chemical weapons tales in 24 hours 12 Dec 2012 00:36 #27

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Agreed.
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Re: Two chemical weapons tales in 24 hours 12 Dec 2012 01:29 #28

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They're going in I think.
There's no doubt in my mind. It was always likely to come to this.

Looking on the bright side, at least they delayed it long enough that I could do my programme about Kosovo, Libya and Syria a few weeks ago...
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Re: Two chemical weapons tales in 24 hours 12 Dec 2012 22:38 #29

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Just in the last couple of hours:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20705519
Syria 'fires Scud-type missiles at rebels'

Forces loyal to the Syrian government have fired "Scud-type missiles" at rebels, media have quoted US officials as saying.

A number of short-range, unguided ballistic missiles had been launched, US and Nato officials said.

The US state department would not confirm the type but said missiles had been deployed. It said Syria was resorting to "more vicious weapons".

Separately, a series of blasts has hit the Syrian capital Damascus.
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Re: Two chemical weapons tales in 24 hours 13 Dec 2012 10:28 #30

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You have the rebels, including proscribed groups being funded and armed by the west through third parties. Increasing material and rhetorical support, squeezing assad like a zit. What do they expect him to do, having seen the way of qaddafi? A total fucking set up.

Maybe the time is here for us to start a web campaign to get as many people as we can to report our leaders for terrorist activity. We NEED to make a big stink about this.
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Re: Two chemical weapons tales in 24 hours 13 Dec 2012 11:20 #31

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You have the rebels, including proscribed groups being funded and armed by the west through third parties. Increasing material and rhetorical support, squeezing assad like a zit. What do they expect him to do, having seen the way of qaddafi? A total fucking set up.

Maybe the time is here for us to start a web campaign to get as many people as we can to report our leaders for terrorist activity. We NEED to make a big stink about this.
It's hard to know what to do when many people don't care, let alone understand, but if you look at this Guardian article and read the comments section you will see virtually every respondent understands and is decrying the Guardian's coverage:

www.guardian.co.uk/world/middle-east-liv...d-scud-missiles-live
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Re: Two chemical weapons tales in 24 hours 13 Dec 2012 11:30 #32

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My considered view is that reporting our leaders, en masse is the best way forward. And to shout about what we are doing. Every time i've mentioned my doing it on comments pages, there's been a fair bit of support.
Its a numbers thing, without numbers nowt will happen.

Representative democracy fucking sucks dont it folks...
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Re: Two chemical weapons tales in 24 hours 13 Dec 2012 11:30 #33

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wake_up_bomb wrote:
Just in the last couple of hours:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20705519
Syria 'fires Scud-type missiles at rebels'

Forces loyal to the Syrian government have fired "Scud-type missiles" at rebels, media have quoted US officials as saying.

A number of short-range, unguided ballistic missiles had been launched, US and Nato officials said.

The US state department would not confirm the type but said missiles had been deployed. It said Syria was resorting to "more vicious weapons".

Separately, a series of blasts has hit the Syrian capital Damascus.

Scuds, ffs. :facepalm:

This weapons shipment was intercepted before the Assad loyalists could get their hands on them. With the range these babys have Assad would have been able to reach the end of his garden.

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