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Welfare state 17 Mar 2013 00:13 #1

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A welfare state is a "concept of government in which the state plays a key role in the protection and promotion of the economic and social well-being of its citizens. It is based on the principles of equality of opportunity, equitable distribution of wealth, and public responsibility for those unable to avail themselves of the minimal provisions for a good life. The general term may cover a variety of forms of economic and social organization."... The sociologist T.H. Marshall identified the welfare state as a distinctive combination of democracy, welfare, and capitalism...The United Kingdom, as a modern welfare state, started to emerge with the Liberal welfare reforms of 1906–1914 under Liberal Prime Minister Herbert Asquith.. These included the passing of the Old-Age Pensions Act in 1908, the introduction of free school meals in 1909, the 1909 Labour Exchanges Act, the Development Act 1909, which heralded greater Government intervention in economic development, and the enacting of the National Insurance Act 1911 setting up a national insurance contribution for unemployment and health benefits from work...

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In the aftermath of the 1981 (1981 Handsworth riots and the Brixton riot), Tebbit responded to a suggestion by a Young Conservative (Iain Picton) that rioting was the natural reaction to unemployment:

I grew up in the '30s with an unemployed father. He didn't riot. He got on his bike and looked for work, and he kept looking till he found it...

This exchange was the origin of the attribution to Tebbit of the slogan On yer bike!. Tebbit is often misquoted as saying directly to the unemployed "get on your bike and look for work" as a consequence of his speech, although this interpretation is arguably what he was implying. He was always portrayed as a sinister, leather-clad bovverboy by the satirical TV puppet show, Spitting Image. The Professor of English at University College London, John Mullan, has written: "In Spitting Image and probably the middle-class imagination, Norman Tebbit was given an Essex drag on his vowels which he hardly possessed. He should speak in that way because of what he represented". The former Conservative Prime Minister Harold Macmillan once remarked of Tebbit: "Heard a chap on the radio this morning talking with a cockney accent. They tell me he is one of Her Majesty's ministers". Dr Peter Dorey of the Cardiff University wrote: "...it was Norman Tebbit...who was perhaps the public face or voice of Essex Man, and articulated his views and prejudices".




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Literally "burning ones", the word seraph is normally a synonym for serpents when used in the Hebrew Bible. ..

Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves...

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A former Tory MP who swapped his life of luxury for a week of harsh reality on Tyneside is to repeat the experience two decades on.

In 1983 fresh-faced public school and Cambridge-educated Matthew Parris spent seven days living in a bedsit in Scotswood, Newcastle, trying to get by on £26.80 of benefits.

He was challenged to survive a week on the dole by TV producers after he sparked a political row.


He had told a constituent she was lucky to have a council house and that being on the dole was meant to be unpleasant, otherwise people would not have an incentive to work.

Needless to say, middle-class Parris, more used to an MP's salary of £15,000, struggled to survive and admitted living on the dole was a "meagre" and "threadbare" existence. But now, two decades and a career change later, the journalist and broadcaster has gone back to the same West End street to try again...Programme makers are remaining tight-lipped whether Parris, now 54, fares any better on a 21st Century job-seekers allowance of £54.65.


The 1983 documentary showed Parris arriving on Tyneside and joining the dole queue at his nearest post office.

He spent £11 on a week's food and limited himself to a 72p bus ride to a Newcastle United game, which cost him £2.50 for a terrace ticket and 20p for a half-time hot drink.

But despite his scrimping and the generosity of a pub-goer who treated him to a pint and a half of beer, Parris struggled to meet the gas and electricity payments.

Afterwards Parris, who later quit as MP for Derbyshire, admitted he had not survived as well as he hoped, but refused to admit benefit levels were too low.

"It was a meagre and threadbare existence, but I believe that is the right level," he said...


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Also in the 1983 news

February 9 - Shergar, champion race horse and winner of 1981 Derby, is kidnapped in Ireland and a £2m ransom is demanded.

March 2 - The last episode of M*A*S*H is watched by the biggest ever worldwide television audience - 125 million viewers.

March 24 - Three tonnes of gold bullion and diamonds, worth £26m are stolen from the Brink's-Mat security warehouse at Heathrow in Britain's biggest ever robbery.

May 5 - The supposed diaries of Adolf Hitler are revealed to be a fake.

June 9 - The Tories are re-elected under Margaret Thatcher...

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Have you any personal opinion on it all LG?
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andyh wrote:
Have you any personal opinion on it all LG?

I think its a good thing,but managed correctly so people cannot take advantage of it....for example people having loads of babies so they can claim benefits, they really do not have the childs interest at heart....Also people on high incomes should not really claim benefits either...I am sure immigrants come into certain countrys so they can take advantage of the benefits system,they should really get their own countrys sorted out instead of burdening others...
A condom is a barrier device commonly used during sexual intercourse to reduce the probability of pregnancy and spreading sexually transmitted diseases...

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www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/05/19/man-...-child-support-help/
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Human responsibilities are the universal responsibilities of human beings regardless of jurisdiction or other factors, such as ethnicity, nationality, religion, or sex..The idea of human responsibilities arises as a natural counterbalance to the philosophical idea of human rights..Social responsibility is an ethical or theory that an entity, be it an organization or individual, has an obligation to act to benefit society at large. Social responsibility is a duty every individual or organization has to perform so as to maintain a balance between the economy and the ecosystem...
In economic theory, a moral hazard is a situation where a party will have a tendency to take risks because the costs that could incur will not be felt by the party taking the risk. In other words, it is a tendency to be more willing to take a risk, knowing that the potential costs or burdens of taking such risk will be borne, in whole or in part, by others. A moral hazard may occur where the actions of one party may change to the detriment of another after a financial transaction has taken place...Bankers, Bonuses and Bailouts comes to Mind..
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Welfare state 17 Mar 2013 14:19 #8

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My view is people should have the freedom to have as many children as they want, the State has a moral responsibility to distribute the wealth companies extract from people's labour for private gain, to allow basic necessities to be freely available for everyone.

The problem with the welfare state is the greed and conservatism that has opposed it since it's inception.
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Mike wrote:
My view is people should have the freedom to have as many children as they want, the State has a moral responsibility to distribute the wealth companies extract from people's labour for private gain, to allow basic necessities to be freely available for everyone.

The problem with the welfare state is the greed and conservatism that has opposed it since it's inception.

They just redistribute the tax they steal from the just over broke to give to the broke.
Corporate wealth stays for the most part offshore.
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A short story-

A long long long long time ago a small group of psychopaths forced people away from independence which was obtained by the people working the land and growing their own food and breeding livestock.

These psychopaths forced the people into cities where there was no means of growing food and raising livestock so became dependent on the psychopaths for their existence.

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Welfare state 18 Mar 2013 00:16 #11

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humanspirit wrote:
A short story-

A long long long long time ago a small group of psychopaths forced people away from independence which was obtained by the people working the land and growing their own food and breeding livestock.

These psychopaths forced the people into cities where there was no means of growing food and raising livestock so became dependent on the psychopaths for their existence.

THE END

Who were those Psychopaths ? and are the Psychopaths still around ? and if so who are they ?



Sheriff john brown always hated me;
For what I don't know.
Every time that I plant a seed
He said, kill it before it grows.
He said, kill it before it grows...


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andyh wrote:
Mike wrote:
My view is people should have the freedom to have as many children as they want, the State has a moral responsibility to distribute the wealth companies extract from people's labour for private gain, to allow basic necessities to be freely available for everyone.

The problem with the welfare state is the greed and conservatism that has opposed it since it's inception.

They just redistribute the tax they steal from the just over broke to give to the broke.
Corporate wealth stays for the most part offshore.
Comedian Carr is 'largest beneficiary' of scheme which shelters £168m a year from taxman..

Danny Alexander, Chief Secretary to the Treasury, says rich tax dodgers are 'moral equivalent of benefit cheats'..

He warns Government is 'coming to get them'...




Yes, people can have as many children as they want, thats if they have the means support them...and shoulder the responsibility...

But now, 11 years after becoming Britain's youngest father, 23-year-old Sean is only able to follow Alfie Patten's story from a prison cell...Not really a good start in life for the child is it,children having children ....


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_
www.imdb.com/title/tt0521658/
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1151484...-jail-cell-home.html
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2161394...voidance-scheme.html
www.economist.com/news/leaders/21571873-...nd-cayman-missing-20
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I will tell you for a fact £56.25 is not enough for someone to get by on,and I speak from personal experience after leaving school and the forces I ended up on the dole ...and I do not really drink or take hard drugs etc etc ,I actually lost my home many years ago through the inability to repay the con called a mortage where you pay the banks back double of what you borrow...but through the kindness of others I would be up shit creek like many who are already in that position as I type...what a lot of this boils down to is a poor education system and the Government are responsible for that ,seeing they choose to govern...



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The main character was a selfish, greedy, dishonest, devious, lecherous, sadistic ultra-right-wing Conservative back bencher. The show was mostly set in B'Stard's antechambers in the Palace of Westminster and featured Piers Fletcher-Dervish as B'Stard's twittish upper-class sidekick. B'Stard shared a middle name with Norman Tebbit...

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This video shows early discussion of the development of the British welfare statement after World War II including the National Health Service. William Beveridge - whose report/plan for social insurance was very influential - is interviewed. His name is now used by economists for the "Beveridge Curve," the relationship between the unemployment rate and the vacancy rate. However, Beveridge did not invent this curve; his name is affixed to it because he equated "full employment" (a goal of the welfare state) with a situation where the number of vacancies = number of unemployed...
Beveridge, the eldest son of Henry Beveridge, an Indian Civil Service officer and scholar Annette Akroyd, was born in Rangpur, India (now Rangpur, Bangladesh), on 5 March 1879. After studying at Charterhouse School and Balliol College, Oxford he became a lawyer..Beveridge became interested in the social services and wrote about the subject for the Morning Post newspaper. His interest in the causes of unemployment began in 1903 when he worked at Toynbee Hall, a settlement house in London. There he worked closely with Sidney Webb and Beatrice Webb and was influenced by their theories of social reform, becoming active in promoting old age pensions, free school meals, and campaigning for a national system of labour exchanges...

A Beveridge curve, or UV-curve, is a graphical representation of the relationship between unemployment and the job vacancy rate (the number of unfilled jobs expressed as a proportion of the labor force)...
Unfree labour (or unfree labor in American English) is a generic or collective term for those work relations, especially in modern or early modern history, in which people are employed against their will by the threat of destitution, detention, violence (including death), lawful compulsion, or other extreme hardship to themselves or to members of their families...

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Boys from the Blackstuff was a British television drama series of five episodes, originally transmitted from 10 October to 7 November 1982 on BBC2...
In England they say the same thing, the granite stone universities versus the red brick universities for the public. Meaning the red brick ones, like Manchester, etc, are meant for lower caste orders and they’ll never be taught very much at all. So, this whole society you live in is perfectly structured on behalf of the elite who already control and rule, and they intend to keep it that way. You could get all the learning up to university level done by the age of twelve, and you’d have your degree then...

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The One Percent is a 2006 documentary about the growing wealth gap between America's wealthy elite compared to the overall citizenry. It was created by Jamie Johnson, an heir to the Johnson & Johnson fortune, and produced by Jamie Johnson and Nick Kurzon. The film's title refers to the top one percent of Americans in terms of wealth, who controlled 42.2 percent of total financial wealth in 2004...
Adnan Khashoggi - International arms merchant, "There is no equality in life. Forget about it. We are what we are. We are created layers over each other. This is it."

The Johnson Interviewer - When asked if he would donate his entire inheritance to charity, he said "That's not what we're here to talk about."

It was stated in the Page Six column of the New York Post that Warren Buffett had written a letter to Nicole Buffett, daughter of his son Peter's ex-wife from another marriage. In response to her participation in the film, distancing himself from her, he wrote "I have not emotionally or legally adopted you as a grandchild, nor have the rest of my family adopted you as a niece or a cousin."

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Billionaire investor Warren Buffett has agreed to pay $9bn for US chemicals maker Lubrizol, making the deal one of his biggest. Here, we look at some of the Sage of Omaha's wisdom...



“Rule No.1: Never lose money. Rule No.2: Never forget rule No.1”

“It’s far better to buy a wonderful company at a fair price than a fair company at a wonderful price”

“Only buy something that you’d be perfectly happy to hold if the market shut down for 10 years”

“We simply attempt to be fearful when others are greedy and to be greedy only when others are fearful”

“The business schools reward difficult complex behavior more than simple behavior, but simple behavior is more effective”

“It’s class warfare, my class is winning, but they shouldn’t bee”
On September 16, 2011, Berkshire Hathaway completed the acquisition of Lubrizol.

In 2013 a Lubrizol factory in Rouen accidentally released a cloud of mercaptan gas, resulting in over 10,000 people in France jamming emergency phone lines overnight complaining of headaches and nausea, and 100,000 emergency calls being made to the National Grid.

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Britain's leading experts on tax and spending have strongly challenged George Osborne's claims to have delivered a "tough but fair" budget, concluding that the measures in the emergency package would hit the poor harder than the rich...

The IFS estimates that the squeeze on poorer families would increase in the second half of the parliament as welfare cuts kicked in and the two-year increase in child tax credit ended.

The IFS found that the richest 10% would be 7.5% worse off by 2014-15 because of measures coming into force during the current parliament but that almost seven percentage points of that was due to Labour changes.

The poorest 10% were left almost untouched by Labour's plans but would see their incomes cut by more than 2.5% over the next five years.
Caribbean tax havens are amongst the world’s most popular and well respected tax havens. The Caribbean region has been known to produce outstanding tax havens which are also offshore jurisdictions. Tax havens in the Caribbean are known for the benefits they provide for a large client base: some of the benefits of Caribbean tax havens include, reducing tax liability and providing privacy. Some of the more respected tax havens in the Caribbean are Dominica, St Kitts, Nevis, Barbados, Anguilla, the British Virgin Islands (BVI), Belize and the Bahamas among others...

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A BBC reporter has begun her attempt to live for one week on no more than £53.



Emma Vardy's mission was inspired by a petition signed by 450,000 people urging Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith to do the same.



The debate follows a welfare shake-up including cuts to housing benefit for some social housing tenants...


www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22058059
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-22087470
www.abc.net.au/news/2013-01-02/macklin-c...-on-the-dole/4449980
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