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Dead children names used by the Police 07 Jul 2013 21:19 #1

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www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/poli...ntities-8691323.html

POLICE TO APOLOGIZE FOR USING DEAD CHILDRENS IDENTITIES



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Senior police leaders are set to make an unprecedented national apology after hundreds of names of dead children were used to create false identities for undercover officers.

An investigation into covert policing has found widespread use of the practice.

Undercover officers told The Times that they were trained to use names of the dead and it had become “standard practice”.

Special branch units used the names while infiltrating criminal gangs, animal rights activists and football hooligan firms, it is claimed.

Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe, the Metropolitan Police Commissioner, will be questioned about the method after it was revealed that officers were told to gather “dirt” on the family of Stephen Lawrence.

Sources say that the practice may have been used in MI5 and MI6 and that several thousand identities of dead infants, children and teenagers may have been assumed by undercover officers.

An apology will be made senior police in the coming days.
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Dead children names used by the Police 07 Jul 2013 23:44 #2

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Dead children names used by the Police 08 Jul 2013 00:05 #3

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But lightgiver, what's that got to do with Policemen using dead children names for their undercover mission?
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Dead children names used by the Police 10 Jul 2013 10:07 #6

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Oh come on lg. Thats just spam :mad:

Back on topic,

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knobmeup wrote:
Oh come on lg. Thats just spam :mad:

Back on topic,

Sick, uncaring bastards! Have these fuckers no shame?


The Police said they would make an apólogy, I wonder if that has happened yet.
Even if they did, doesn't convince me they are feeling it.
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Absolutely. I learned at a very early age the difference between apologizing and saying you're sorry...

These fuckers aren't sorry. They aren't even close to sorry. They're rumbled and exposed, that's all.
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I don't understand why they even did it in the first place.
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Dead children names used by the Police 10 Jul 2013 17:43 #10

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What's this thing in society now where apologizing makes everything OK?

Just don't do the thing in the first place! people have to be responsible for their actions otherwise it's just about doing what you want then chucking in an apology at the end to justify your action.
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humanspirit wrote:
What's this thing in society now where apologizing makes everything OK?

Just don't do the thing in the first place! people have to be responsible for their actions otherwise it's just about doing what you want then chucking in an apology at the end to justify your action.

This is what I was on about when I mentioned the difference between saying sorry and apologising HS.
We all fuck up. When we realise we've fucked up, those of us who care, feel sorrow for our actions and say sorry with no need of a prompt..
Those who are caught doing wrong but feel no sorrow can get away with a simple apology. It's a kind of PR exercise. Might be one thing when your mum gets you to apologise to a neighbour for scrumping their apples...bit different in cases like this.
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Dead children names used by the Police 10 Jul 2013 18:34 #12

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humanspirit wrote:
What's this thing in society now where apologizing makes everything OK?

Just don't do the thing in the first place! people have to be responsible for their actions otherwise it's just about doing what you want then chucking in an apology at the end to justify your action.

This is what I was on about when I mentioned the difference between saying sorry and apologising HS.
We all fuck up. When we realise we've fucked up, those of us who care, feel sorrow for our actions and say sorry with no need of a prompt..
Those who are caught doing wrong but feel no sorrow can get away with a simple apology. It's a kind of PR exercise. Might be one thing when your mum gets you to apologise to a neighbour for scrumping their apples...bit different in cases like this.

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Dead children names used by the Police 10 Jul 2013 20:10 #13

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chandrakavi wrote:
The Police said they would make an apólogy, I wonder if that has happened yet.




Met chief refuses 'false' apology over dead children's identities

Britain's most senior police officer said today an apology for the use of dead children's identities would be “pretty false” as investigators do not yet know who is affected.

Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe insisted that there is no reluctance to say sorry after claims that undercover officers used the details to shore up their fake personas.

“I regret if anybody's been hurt by what happened. The main issue we've got is not a reluctance to apologise to anybody badly affected by it, it is actually establishing the facts,” he said.

“These are historical events. We are desperately trying to understand what happened, how many times did it happen and who is affected by it.

“Frankly, it would be a pretty false apology if we were to make it today because we don't even know who is affected by it.

“There's no reluctance to apologise once we've established the facts.”

His comments echo those of deputy assistant commissioner Patricia Gallan, who told MPs earlier this month that investigators were focusing on getting to the truth and that “at the appropriate time statements will be made”.

She said that the force had received two complaints but the parents concerned had not been informed.

Today, Sir Bernard said police had to consider the consequences of revealing the identities of former undercover officers.

“If we identify the name of the person who was involved, presumably as an undercover officer, and if the person against whom that undercover officer was deployed is unaware of it, but discovers through publication of that name that person was an undercover officer or may be, we've got to consider the consequences of that.

“Even though that's a fair amount of time ago, those officers are still around or retired.

“We've got to unpick all of that before we start approaching families. We've really got to think it through. If we do go to the family, we've got to accept that makes that information open.”


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Dead children names used by the Police 10 Jul 2013 22:29 #14

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Gilly wrote:
I don't understand why they even did it in the first place.

Me neither.
It's not like they're assuming the whole identity of a deceased child....ie. dob etc - that would necessitate covering up the child's death.... and the undercover officer being really young!
So what's the point? Surely they're in a position to be able to create any false identities at will if needed.... just pick a couple of names out of the phone book & merge them together. :conf:
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Oh come on lg. Thats just spam :mad:

Yes come on LG there's no need for these long, irrelevant, colourful, copy & paste posts that have no bearing on the topic.
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Oh come on lg. Thats just spam :mad:

Yes come on LG there's no need for these long, irrelevant, colourful, copy & paste posts that have no bearing on the topic.

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They do it cause they can get, away with it :roll:
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