I know a lot of people discount David Irving, but maybe he is the only one stating the truth

I would not defend Churchill in the slightest but David Irving is a revisionist and a Nazi sympathiser.

justoneman wrote:
Facts are compelling. Especially when popular perception is at vast odds with those verifiable facts. When that happens it makes me question why my govt. felt it necessary to manipulate the perception of, not just me, but: My mother and my Granparents - and for what end.

However, I always question the motive of people like Irving. If it is a genuine, non agenda driven expose of the truth I can understand that need to correct a fallacious history.
My personal jury is out ......damn Icke for using that expression

It's David Irving. He may speak a dozen truths about shitty Winston, but judging from his whole career, it is more than fair to suspect that he is building a case for Hitler apologetics.

Facing the reality of the rise of real armed Nazi killers carrying out coups and attempted coups and the like then fuck him and his apologists.

I want to tell Irving to go sign up like Prothero the Voice of London and publicly stick on the black shirt he wears in private.

mikey mikey wrote:
I have watched this and there is no in depth mention of revisionism, I also think that he is a nazi sympathiser but after reading the whole of mein kampf, I can also imagine that Hitler may have been stitched up by the zionist, banker, agenda. But life itself is all about prospective, and our lives have been manipulated to an extent far more than we would of ever thought, the fact that any people are prepared to die for a rag on top of a stick [national flag] shows that manipulation of our thoughts has been happening for more than the 14 years since 9/11.
life is full of maybe's but there is only one truth and any deviation is a untruth, maybe, just sometimes, it is best to watch and suffer before casting doubt

justoneman wrote:
That train is never late

justoneman wrote: I don't think HItler was stitched up by the Zionist agenda. So far I haven't found any evidence to support this.
One of the people who talent spotted Hitler was Feder. After a talk by Feder, Hitler decided to consider engaging with the national socialists mainly due to Feders influence.
Feder went on to influence the national socialsits by introducing a system that was outside the curtailments of the world financial system which led to Hitler being able trade German technology in return for natural resources which were in short supply in post (WW1) war Germany.
This led to many trading partnerships, those with Sweden and the Soviet Union not being the least of those relationships. 'Tis very complicated but I do not see a Zionist influence in those years.

^^^
In fact, inter war Germany was very much like Gadaffi - in that those trading partnerships did not involve Germany being part of the International banking system. That is how Hitler brought Germany out of its financial crash.
Germany traded technology in the form of high end manufactured good (Weapons and other) in return for natural resources or gold.
He also financed the rebuilding of Germany by a system (outside the central banking system) not unlike those proponents of the Greenback or the UK's Bradbury pound which essentially involved the state financing its own infrastructure building program by the issue of finance, by the state unburdened by repayment of interest.
Fascinating stuff....

What I have to say is ...........

Churchill bombed Dresden , killing thousands , even though it was not a military target , but he is a hero in history ?

hahahahahahahahhahaha

Hypocritical much , oo er mrs

scaltura wrote:
No, Churchill is only a hero for Mail readers and "patriotic" middle England.

While I grew up in a working class North East community, the first thing I learned of Winston was that he turned the troops on the people in order to put down a general strike.

mikey mikey wrote:
Churchill was a twat in his early days - but because of his wartime leadership he was let off the hook by sentimentalist apologists.
Racist, Eugenecist is probably a good description of Churchy babes.

For Patriotic miiddle Englanders - Read: Hobbits

Also, don't forget that victors get to write history - Which Churchill did in his multi-volume account of the Second World War.
He was the man of the moment - he stepped up to the plate when it was required....but he was no angel, that's for sure.

Agreed.

Here's Churchill talking of gassing Kurds

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alleged_British_us..._Mesopotamia_in_1920

And this is my point to the OP: you don't need a Hitler apologist to see that Churchill is not what jingoistic middle England portray him as.

Wise Haven wrote:

mikey mikey wrote:
Bwahahahahaha

He is renowned as a hero in history by 90% of british ideological numpties , and let me tell you that the remaining 10% is not just the north east , bear in mind that would leave the north east as about 4-5 %

Not sure of your position in that last post Scalt...

Are you agreeing, disagreeing or concurring, conditionally ?

Wise Haven wrote:
It wasn't just middle england and daily mail readers who supported him

scaltura wrote:
It certainly middle England and upper class England that write the history that is generally accepted.

Growing up in Jarrow during the Thatcher years, I can tell you that there is a big gap between the England of "let's put out the bunting on St George Day" and the culture I grew up in. Churchill was always thought of as a pig and a fiend.

Of course, criticism of Churchill on his own terms will not be enough for a Hitler apologist like Irving. Declaring a negative of Churchill will not suffice for them unless it leads to a justification of Hitler.

mikey mikey wrote:
Mickey I don't know , maybe you should forget about hitler for 5 mins at least , churchill was just as every bit as bad as hitler , they were both mass murderers , just as was tony bliar , would it make him any less of an evil man if he killed 2000,000 less than his nemesis (hypothetical Q ?) no , it wouldn't

scaltura wrote:
The OP has a video of a Hitler apologist. It is certainly on topic to discuss the person in the OP video. So DO NOT tell me to shut up.

Nancy Astor, Viscountess Astor was a nazi sympathiser,politician and an all round bitch.