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Vaccines 16 Nov 2012 22:31 #1

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GlaxoSmithKline, the pharmaceutical criminal meningitis vaccines sold in Chile

For Truth Now | 11/15/2012 - 13:05 | Rating: 0

During his tour of Europe, President Sebastian Pinera announced that the government will accelerate the process of vaccination against meningitis. As reported by the portal Terra, the president and contacted pharmaceutical companies to send two more vaccines to the country.

According to government estimates, the Chilean government will invest about $ 62 million to fund the purchase of vaccines, an extraordinary figure who desenmarca national budget.

One of the pharmaceutical mentioned by the head of state is GlaxoSmithKline (GSK), put in the crosshairs of the law into a series of crimes worldwide.

In January 2012, Argentine Judge Marcelo Aguinski GSK decided to fine $ 92,500 for the death of 14 babies during illegal vaccine trials conducted in the neighboring country, according to documents issued by the National Administration of Medicine, Food and Technology (ANMAT) .

The objections raised by the Argentine include falsifying parental authorizations and illegal human experimentation. A total of 15,000 children from poor and illiterate, had participated in studies conducted by GSK illegal between 2007 and 2008.

"Laboratories can not experiment in Europe or the United States, so they come to do it to Third World countries," said pediatrician Ana Marchese of the Federation of Health Professionals of Argentina (FESPROSA) the Buenos Aires Herald.

In July this year, the second multinational pharmaceutical world was embroiled in a new scandal. After pleading guilty, GSK was forced to pay a fine of 3 billion dollars for promoting consumption uncertified antidepressant Paxil (paroxetine) in children under 18, including fraud.

The Department. ruled against the lab for fraudulent labeling and illegal use of public funds for the payment of kickbacks to physicians. The opinion also determined responsibilities for price manipulation and Wellbutrin drug Avandia, according to CBS News.

Are they aware of this background Chilean authorities? Who ensures the integrity of a pharmaceutical as fraudulent as GSK vaccine this new acquisition? These are questions that are in the air.
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Re: Vaccines 24 Nov 2012 18:46 #2

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TriHealth fires 150 employees for not getting flu shots
Company offered the shots for free
UPDATED 2:09 PM EST Nov 22, 2012

CINCINNATI —
One of Cincinnati’s largest employers fired approximately 150 employees Wednesday for failing to get a required flu shot.

TriHealth offered all of its 10,800 employees free flu shots. Employees had a month to get the flu shot. The deadline was Nov. 16. Employees who did not get the shot were terminated Wednesday, a company spokesperson said.

Employees who were terminated can appeal to be reinstated after receiving the shot.

Read more: www.wlwt.com/news/local-news/cincinnati/...x.html#ixzz2DAQQr1g4

That's all the article says - no attempt at justification from the company that I've been able to find.
Scary implications! :(
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Re: Vaccines 24 Nov 2012 19:48 #3

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Gilly wrote:
TriHealth fires 150 employees for not getting flu shots
Company offered the shots for free
UPDATED 2:09 PM EST Nov 22, 2012

CINCINNATI —
One of Cincinnati’s largest employers fired approximately 150 employees Wednesday for failing to get a required flu shot.

TriHealth offered all of its 10,800 employees free flu shots. Employees had a month to get the flu shot. The deadline was Nov. 16. Employees who did not get the shot were terminated Wednesday, a company spokesperson said.

Employees who were terminated can appeal to be reinstated after receiving the shot.

Read more: www.wlwt.com/news/local-news/cincinnati/...x.html#ixzz2DAQQr1g4

That's all the article says - no attempt at justification from the company that I've been able to find.
Scary implications! :(
It doesn't get much scarier than that. This is an outrageous abuse of an employer's position.
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Re: Vaccines 24 Nov 2012 23:59 #4

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Is having optional shots old fashioned? :seanypat
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Re: Vaccines 25 Nov 2012 00:13 #5

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chandrakavi wrote:
Is having optional shots old fashioned? :seanypat

In some countries I believe this is something you can do but over here in the UK you can't even get a tetanus as a single shot.
For young children, tetanus vaccine is normally part of the combined DTaP/IPV(polio)/Hib vaccine - this stands for 'diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis (whooping cough)/polio/Haemophilus influenzae type b' vaccine, which is given as part of the routine childhood immunisation programme.
For adults and teenagers who receive tetanus immunisation, a combined tetanus, diphtheria/polio vaccine (Td/IPV(polio)) is normally used.

Most people who end up in A&E for various reasons have no idea they're being given a Td/IPV vaccination when all they required was a tetanus shot.
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You don't even need a tetanus shot. When tetanus happens it's normally from a rusty nail type object that leaves a hole, not a gaping wound or cut. In which case, closing it up is a BAD idea and results in the infection staying inside and lack of oxygen reaching it. You pour peroxide on it a few times a day, make sure it gets plenty of air, and you don't get tetanus (trust me, if you was gonna get tetanus leaving it open and no shot, I'd have died by now).
Any gaping wound though if you put cut heal on it, it heals from the inside out without leaving a scar (but finding cut heal anymore is like ripping fingernails off).

Sorry, but it's ridiculous. They say, over here, that you can request individual shots but try asking any doctor/nurse for the individual ones and they stare at you like you've just grown a second head (I've asked, just to see what would happen).
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StarsChildren wrote:
but try asking any doctor/nurse for the individual ones and they stare at you like you've just grown a second head (I've asked, just to see what would happen).

Yeah, I'm familiar with that look :D
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Re: Vaccines 25 Nov 2012 00:35 #8

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StarsChildren wrote:
but try asking any doctor/nurse for the individual ones and they stare at you like you've just grown a second head (I've asked, just to see what would happen).

Yeah, I'm familiar with that look :D

Used to hear all the time about people getting that look for not vaccinating. I have to say, I have never gotten that look when I say we don't do shots (I've gotten a glare or two when I've referred to them as toxins, chemicals, and poisons though). But if I ask if they can do individual shots, not the combination ones, that look comes out.
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Re: Vaccines 25 Nov 2012 04:57 #9

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Across the U.S. there are a number of "walk-in" clinics, many of them run by nurses with no doctors on staff. Stars, I think Prescott has one. In Cottonwood, where I used to live there was a nurse run clinic. I have been there twice and was happy with my care.

I think that nurses are more prone to look at the patient as a whole, and to include them in the diagnosis and planned treatment. Whereas doctors, by and large, seem more intent on getting through the day's patients and getting kickbacks.

One of the nurses that I saw even admitted that she did not know something. She left the room, came back with 2 big books and we both figured it out together. It would be unusual for a doctor to do something like that. Even when they don't know, must of them are too busy to care, and so they guess and their guess is probably based on whatever medication will reap them dollars. Same thing goes for vaccinations as they are paid to push them.

Nurses have a different approach and would be more inclined to not question someone who chooses not to get vaccines because their agenda is geared towards health.

Try to bypass the doctor whenever possible - that's what I think.

Citizens can create propositions to outlaw mandatory vaccinations, and that is what needs to get started here, before its too late. Not that it is ever too late, but once it is imposed, it is harder to retract.
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Re: Vaccines 25 Nov 2012 05:07 #10

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noseymutegirl wrote:
Across the U.S. there are a number of "walk-in" clinics, many of them run by nurses with no doctors on staff. Stars, I think Prescott has one. In Cottonwood, where I used to live there was a nurse run clinic. I have been there twice and was happy with my care.

Thanks Nosey, I'll have to look into that.
I've met a few doctors who I liked, unfortunately they are no longer here (they were foreign doctors, one was a set of brothers out of Africa and another out of India). They were more willing to look at alternative things than the American ones I have seen. My son has a pedi here out of India, great guy, deep accent so you gotta really pay attention, but he's really laid back and non-vaccination friendly, intact friendly, etc... My midwife pointed me towards that guy.

Dr. Jochim out of Cottonwood I think it was, was great. He did my ultrasounds and some after care for me in 2005-2007. I don't know if you ever saw him, but he's also really laid back and willing to sit and talk through things. I heard his daughter, also an GYN is an absolute horror though. I think it also depends a lot on the age of the doctor, as that example (Old man vs Young girl OBGYN's)...the older ones are more experienced and don't really fall in line for the newer medicine, whereas the young ones wanna prove something, see as many patients as possible and roll in the cash.
One of the nurses that I saw even admitted that she did not know something. She left the room, came back with 2 big books and we both figured it out together. It would be unusual for a doctor to do something like that. Even when they don't know, must of them are too busy to care, and so they guess and their guess is probably based on whatever medication will reap them dollars. Same thing goes for vaccinations as they are paid to push them.

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Nurses have a different approach and would be more inclined to not question someone who chooses not to get vaccines because their agenda is geared towards health.

Try to bypass the doctor whenever possible - that's what I think.

Citizens can create propositions to outlaw mandatory vaccinations, and that is what needs to get started here, before its too late. Not that it is ever too late, but once it is imposed, it is harder to retract.

Totally agree.
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Interesting what you say about foreign doctors; I think they are more about healing and are almost honoured to be able to do so. Whereas, your typical American doctor thinks that it is your privelege to take up their time.

I've heard of Dr. Jochim, he was the most well known and liked in the Verde Valley, but I never saw him. I do remember people moaning about what they were going to do when he retired (because he was old).
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Interesting what you say about foreign doctors; I think they are more about healing and are almost honoured to be able to do so. Whereas, your typical American doctor thinks that it is your privelege to take up their time.

I've heard of Dr. Jochim, he was the most well known and liked in the Verde Valley, but I never saw him. I do remember people moaning about what they were going to do when he retired (because he was old).

yea, i threw quite a fit when my midwife said if anything went wrong with the homebirth, id have to transfer to Yavapai Regional (90% unnecessary c-section rate)... hormones were my excuse when I practically yelled at her that if anything went wrong land the chopper in the backyard and air-vac me to Dr Jochim! :emb: :chuckle:
I can picture ppl having issues when he retires, as far as I know he's still practicing tho, so the meltdowns are still held off.

yup, the ones that come from outside this country seem to have a holistic view and background, so they know the alternatives before they get into the PhD's and actually care about their patients.

I think this thread has gone off topic, so... vaccines... people being fired over refusing them... :iitm: That's a no no.
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W 135 virus vaccines for thaat are being injected to children up to 4 years old here in CHILE,
Children were given the vaccines for free,in public places by the Government, clinics charged around U$100.
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