These are really nice. I did not realize crop circle season started so early in the year. Has anyone been out to see them?

It's sort of regarded that it's been a poor season so far this year, but
I think we'll see some good ones in July/August here in the UK. Who knows?
The quality of the art has diminished somewhat over the last, say, 7 years...

I think merc and his buddies have had a bit too much cider this year...

Apsara, sadly I didn't see a single circle in that vid that looked authentic

apsara wrote:
I don't think anyone has been out much in the UK lately, it just is so miserable here. Grey skys and rain all the time.
It's definately not camping weather, or am I being a wimp?

I know the light is above the clouds, but I keep getting soaked just looking up for it.

jhado wrote:
Do you go visiting crop-circle sites Jhado? If you do, can you describe your experiences please?

jhado wrote:

Are people still making these ????

Yes. Did you think it was advanced aliens leaving messages for humankind in fields?

I saw Richard D Hall give a presentation a few years ago, showing convincing in-depth research he'd done, which pointed to the manufacture of many crop circles being funded by MI5.

That then begs the question as to what their motivation is.

One possibility is that they want to muddy the water. They get the fakes produced in order to cast doubt on the authenticity of all crop circles. Why would they do that if there were none of the genuine article around?

Perhaps there's some other reason they'd do it that hasn't occurred to me. I'd be pleased to hear others' thoughts.

It's quite amazing how many people prefer to attribute crop circles to visiting aliens from other words rather than them being man-made. You may be interested in the 'Circlemakers' website . . .

www.circlemakers.org/

. . . which explains quite a lot.

Magpie wrote:
OK Magpie, I'll take a look at those. However, you've not addressed the points I raised at all.

There are numerous takes on crop circles, now including the idea that it is government 'disinformation'.

Occam's Razor comes to mind (i.,e. the simplest explanation is the most logical conclusion [unless there is contrary evidence]). Personally, I'm not convinced by Richard D Hall despite his academia. Also, never under-estimate the human desire for adventure, attention and hoaxing - especially when it comes to the 'paranormal'

How about this:-

Crop Circles Made by Military Satellites (Sherry Shriner)

I (the author of this web-site) "www.pastpresentfuture.info", have been visiting some crop circles in the UK, and I took some samples of vegetation and dead insects with me.

At home, with my microscope I have been carefully observing the tissues of the plants and of the insects. In order to find out how their state could be reproduced, I put some healthy plants and insects in a modified microwave oven combined with a laser burner (yes, I am truly sorry for this rude experiment) and I examined the tissues under the microscope.

Comparing the tissues, that I took from the crop circles in the UK with that I took from my microwave oven, bought me to an interesting conclusion : they look highly similar.

In other words, the cropcircles have been produced by microwave laser technology. This technology is used by the military.

Microwave laser games

As you know, with lasers it is possible to cut (fashion, dentist, etc.), bend and melt (industrial), and so forth, at great precision and from large distance. Microwave laser technology, or better, maser technology, is used at a military satellite in order to "shoot" maser beams at precisely computed locations on our planet.

This kind of satellite is aimed to destoy anyhting at any time at any location under any atmospheric circumstances. Such satellite is not publicly known, i.e. kept secret, of course, and is responsible for several "unresolved" airplane crashes.

Yes my dear visitor, maser satellites are flying right over you and you are not safe. It is all in the game of cover-up, misusing the belief of mankind that extra-terrestials are having an artistic party overnight. Well, not so, as the militaries are playing around with masers, using computers to design nice patterns and to guide the maser beams.

In the early 1970's I started playing with mainfame computers to produce nice mathematical patterns. And sure I was not the only one. It is a common hobbyism. Nothing to do with galactic federations and Alien prophecies or symbols of universal wisdom.

Now, back to my microscopic investigation : in both cases (from the UK by artistic militaries and from my microwave & laser burner) the tissues of the plants showed tiny particles of near-crystallized dust that were melted / bonded with the tissue. Both the plants and the insects were literally cooked. This effect can only be reached by masers.

Aiming a computer guided maser at high altitude towards a crop field, in about 15 seconds a large complex pattern can be projected and "cooked in", using rotating maserbeams (it would be quite unfortunate if you would be moving under the beam at such moment).

Weapon used as toy

This is how crop circles are made, with a computer guided maser satellite, by bored artistic militaries. Period.
Oh, and the light flashes ? Well, simple, because of the electromagnetic field that is caused by the maser, the energy release
is perceived as a flash of light. Sure they leave traces of energy in the plants, commonly incorrectly interpreted as spiritual energies of some sort. I have been into this research myself when I was studying all that stuff for my graduation.

By the way, if indeed Aliens have been around for thousands of years, how come that only since a few years cropcircles have been reported? Since a few years, however, we do have star wars satellites - made by us - orbiting planet Earth. Once again, crop circles are NOT made by Aliens or UFOs, but simply by a maser satellite, programmed by a bunch of geeks. Keep it simple.

I'm looking forward to reading your post later - thanks for the info.

Though from a cursory glance, I'm not appreciating your smugness, or feeling the need to define occam's razor. I also hope you're not making assumptions about what I believe or 'prefer to believe'.

It's an interesting topic though, and I'm glad you've researched it. I'll give you some feedback when I've had chance to read your links & everything else.

Cheers.

Smug...me? Not at all.

Hmmm... Defining Occam's Razor wasn't pointed at you, just explaining it for clarity for anyone looking in. Before I knew what it meant I had to go and look it up!

I'm not making assumptions about your beliefs either.

I thought I was being helpful and participating in discussing a topic

Sometimes it just ain't worth it. Right...I'm off. Time for a walk in the wilds to appreciate the natural world.

Magpie, tbh I could right a similar piece to that ^^ about masers being behind it couldn't I. It's no more likely or substantiated than Galactic artists using mind beams. Yet it is stated as fact.

Personally, I prefer to deal with that which is verifiable. Until such time as I am convinced of something by a combination of examining evidence and listening to my instinct, I choose to keep an open mind. Although it's great fun to speculate

I see this subject as being a bit like UFOs in that most, nearly all can be explained as being human related. There are always those few though that just make your head go One of the joys of existence I think, that we don't know everything

You know what? When I've just said I found a presentation convincing, for someone to respond with, what appears to be mockery...
Magpie wrote:
...well, it put me on the defensive.

But I can see from your response that I got it wrong, so I'm sorry for that misjudgment on my part. Please don't take offence. I'm still looking forward to reading your stuff - just taking a 5 min break from cooking Sunday roast.

Do you think you'll have any left over, Gilly?

We all have different opinions here, which is great. What makes us different from other places is that usually that doesn't mean we descend into name calling. Please see above. Thank you both for your contributions so far.

Personally, I like the laser angle, but in addition to very talented people with boards making some of them. What is most alarming about the whole thing for me, is just how many people would take whatever appeared in a corn-field as communication or some sign from another life-form. We, all of us, really must learn to be a little more discerning, imo, particularly as 'our' own technologies seem to be getting more and more 'out there'. Your average Joe (like me) really hasn't got a clue.

Scary stuff, indeed.

dubmeup wrote:
Yes, I understand. My post was suggested reading when I introduced it as "How about this:" I didn't intend it to be taken as my unerring view but just an interesting take on the crop circle phenomenon.

Gilly - point taken and thanks for your response. Maybe I need to be more careful in how I present or in my wording.

Ab Origine - Good that you mention sharing different opinions without the forum descending into name calling, trolling, etc. I came here to get away from a certain forum peppered with it in the belief that those here are more intelligent and evolved.

Magpie wrote:
You'll be fine


As long as you avoid the sketted one

Thank you for being gracious, but no Magpie, you've no reason to be more careful - it was actually the emoticon that wrong-footed me because I wrongly thought it was mocking laughter. That was what coloured my interpretation of the whole post. So you see it was my error, not yours.

However ... Abs, come here a minute!

There's enough dinner left for bubble & squeak - but you can't have any, young man, because you thought I was mean to Magpie 'cause of a difference of opinion. Iv'e NEVER turned on anyone because they don't share my beliefs - and in the case of crop circles, I don't even have a firm opinion as to what causes the (if there are any) genuine ones. What I'm trying to say is...



Sod you, I'm nice!!



I got busy yesterday - I'm going to read your links & info today Magpie if it kills me! Still looking forward to it.