Oh, yeah, I agree completely. He actually made Jessie Ventura's performance on the programme look competent, which takes some doing.

While I'd like to see Morgan thrown to sea out of a helicopter... never to be seen again. It’s a tough competition when we got Alex nutcase Jones doing his rather sad; rightfully irate - I’m mad as hell and I’m not gonna take it anymore! 'shtick' that he usually reserves for his masochist Infowars’ audience but this time he went national (or nuclear!? ) on CNN. Oh dear...

Oh and apparently Alex Jones is a libertarian now. I thought he was a self-professed “neo-paleoconservative”...whatever that means

and Justice for All wrote:
lol the libertarian who refuses to have libertarian presidential candidates on his show....or perhaps its them who refuse to go on his show?

This shows a proper breakdown of relevant statistics (which doesn't tally with the stats Morgan was quoting)

Gilly wrote:
All correct and cooly and calmy put across.
I have for a long time said that the UK is a violent country and if Brits got out more often they would see it for what it is.

Gilly wrote: Thank you for posting this, Gilly. I think I'm going to discuss this issue a bit next week, I might use this video.

Gilly thank you for posting that video...

Now i understand what people here were trying to explain to me about UK crime in the thread about the Pastor from Harlem.

Even though we have bad ghettos and some citys in the US that have a murder rate of 100 per 100,000.

Great Britain has a much higher overall crime stats than America if the guy in the video is correct.

Whats the problem over there is it those guys you call Chavs?

Is it knife crime?





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I'm surprised its taken you this long to notice it tbh...

Yes knife crime usually, sometimes its putting babies on railway lines, sometimes its hanging cats from trees or playing soccer with puppies, usually its about hooliganism, vandalism, underage drinking, smashing peoples windows and property, setting fire to peoples cars in the street at 3am, literally beating people to death with various implements , the list goes on and on.

It started sometime in the late 80's or early 90's, many things are blamed on it, but tbh its all of the things that are blamed all rolled into one.

www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_ass_vic-crime-assault-victims

You'll see the UK is number 2 on the list. St.Kitts and Nevis has a tiny population so even a couple of violent crimes will tilt the stats for them.

Now its worth bearing in mind that south africa is actually far more violent than the UK, quite simply because much of the crime there goes unreported or more significantly...unrecorded

What the stats DO show is that the UK has a high incidence of violence compared to other well developed countries with similar crime reporting and detection.

Certainly the UK is comparable to much of the EU, Canada, Australia and the US on those grounds, so it clearly has issues and this has been going on for a hell of a long time.

Guns incidentally have been tightly controlled in the UK for a hell of a lot longer than 15 years, I dunno where they pulled that silly stat from.

andyh wrote:
That's true. I think they're talking about the most recent legislation from 1997...

"... the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1997 criminalised private possession of most handguns having a calibre over .22; the Snowdrop Campaign continued to press for a wider ban, and in 1997 the incoming Labour government introduced the Firearms (Amendment) (No. 2) Act, which extended this to most handguns with a calibre of .22 (there are exceptions for some antique handguns and black-powder revolvers.)"

Gilly wrote:
Thats probably it aye.
Ironically it mentions nothing about rifles or shotguns. I suppose they remain under the same regs.

Not that criminals give a damn ofc...or people who are on ermmm psychotic drugs lol.

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There's violent crime going on daily, of varying degrees of depravity.

Incidents I've personally been aware of in the last few years, were an old lady who lives a couple of doors away from me got mugged in the street for her pension.

A few years ago I went to see The Stranglers perform at the 55 Club in Preston, & there'd been a man kicked to death just outside there the night before by a bunch of teenage girls & lads, apparently because they wished to rob the booze he'd just purchased from the off-licence.

Also a few years ago, a couple of friends of my dad's who had a jewellery shop on the outskirts of Preston town centre were butchered in the shop, and it's contents stolen.

A bit back there were 4 separate incidents within a radius of about a mile from where I live one weekend - one was a house being fire-bombed, one was a woman being strangled to death, and I can't even remember what the other 2 were now.

I've had a lit firework hurled at me by thugs when nipping to the corner shop in the early evening - it landed in my coat hood, but I got it out without injury. I'd actually walked past them, and one of them had said, "Hello", in a friendly manner, and I said hello back and smiled at them.

Another time, I had a bottle flung across the road at me, which fortunately landed on my foot, rather than my head. Both of these attacks were completely unprovoked, and came just right out of the blue. They were kids in hoodies just looking for trouble.

People can blame poverty & a sense of despair & anger at the lack of job opportunities etc. I'm sure those things have a place in the causation, but there's got to be more than that. Our family were fairly poor when I was growing up, and it was a tough economic climate all roun, but it would never have occurred to me to do any of those things. I just don't know what's going on tbh.

I know this probably makes me sound like some old retired army major type or something lol, but....

Bring back the birch. A good public flogging is whats needed to sort out the perpetrators of such behaviour as you describe above gilly.

diamondgeezer wrote:
They'd run out of birch in the UK lol.

I'm inclined to agree with you DG.

There was a story in the media a few years back, about two little scumbags from Liverpool who robbed and beat up an old lady.

Thing is, they did it in the Isle of Man, where they still have the birch. They were sentenced to lashes of the birch, to be carried out in public, punishment to be spread over a few weeks. Every weekend they were publically flogged in the town square.

Apparently after the first weekend they were completely broken. Beats asbos eh...

Dunno where, when, or who. But I read about some ancient people who would tie the criminals of the day to a tree, with his crime written for all to see. An hour later they'd back and sweep up what was left of the guy.

I think it was called ARIZONA.

A similar principle to ye olde village stocks.

The public humiliation is a big part of the punishment, as is the public flogging I mentioned.

Apparently after the Piers Morgan appearance .....



The clown needs netted and darted for his own good.
He's fucked up bad.

This is an object lesson in how to deal with someone who's there to be sceptical towards your views and attack you:



You don't shout at them, you just calmly refute them.

Absolutely wub, one of my favourite interviews.

I'm also sad to read that Andrew Marr has had a stroke. I hope he recovery fully and soon.
I enjoy and respect his work.