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Scientists Detect Direct Evidence of Big Bang’s Gravitational Waves 17 Mar 2014 18:03 #1

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In the most anticipated announcement in physics since the discovery of the Higgs Boson, the first detection of a gravitational wave has been reported. If verified, the find will dispel any lingering doubts about Relativity theory, transform our understanding of the universe's beginning and provide astrophysicists with a new tool to probe the universe. The importance of the detection is hard to overstate.

As part of his General Theory of Relativity, Einstein predicted that acceleration of large masses would cause waves to ripple through space in a manner analogous to ripples on the surface of a pond. Indirect evidence abounds for gravitational waves, but almost a century after Einstein predicted it direct evidence remained elusive - until today's announcement by the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics. The paper is now available on arXiv.

The Cosmic Microwave Background (CMB) is the left over radiation from a four hundred thousand years after the Big Bang stretched by the expansion of the universe to peak in the microwave part of the spectrum. In the mid 1990s astrophysicists proposed that the polarization of the CMB could provide evidence for gravitational waves from the birth of the universe.

Photons can oscillate in different directions as they travel; up or down, side to side or even in a circular manner clockwise or anticlockwise. Hot sources produce photons with random orientations, but certain forces can create a bias where there is a preponderance of photons oscillating in a particular direction as they travel, making the radiation as a whole polarized.

The CMB was found to have a very slight polarization in 2002 as a result of density perturbations in the universe. Gravitational waves however, would be expected to induce a slightly different form of polarization. However, this pattern is so slight, and so vulnerable to false positives caused by other things, that there has been considerable skepticism that we would be able to detect the gravitational wave-induced polarization, at least with existing instruments.

The Plank space observatory has been studying the CMB since 2009, and some astronomers hoped it would be able to provide the evidence, but in the end the results came from an even more remote location, the Background Imaging of Cosmic Extragalactic Polarization (BICEP) detector located at the South Pole, where the cold dry air makes microwave astronomy possible.
"Detecting this signal is one of the most important goals in cosmology today. A lot of work by a lot of people has led up to this point," said Prof John Kovac of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics and a leader of the BICEP2 collaboration.

Rumors of the discovery leaked well before the announcement leading to considerable debate online. While some astrophysicists were sceptical as to whether such a subtle signal could be detected with confidence, others not involved in the research were given prior access to the data. "I've seen the research; the arguments are persuasive, and the scientists involved are among the most careful and conservative people I know," Professor Marc Kamionkowski of Johns Hopkins University told BBC News.

Technical papers are available and are being poured over by researchers from teams worldwide.

The discovery of the CMB polarization by gravitational wave, should it stand the test of time, settles one question on its own, the debate over whether the early universe was inflationary. According to the most popular, but not universally accepted, theory of the early universe, 10-34 seconds after it began the universe experienced a period of rapid growth – expanding 100 trillion trillion times to something the size of a marble.

An inflationary period would produce larger gravitational waves than would have been generated without. Nevertheless, even most inflationary models do not predict a gravitational wave large and polarizing enough to be detected by BICEP.

The signal BICEP has found is so strong it makes many of the inflationary models of the early universe untenable, and leaves non-inflationary versions completely on the outer, suggesting the energy in the universe at that moment was well very much at the upper end of what was previously thought possible.

One of the reasons gravitational waves are so keenly sought is the hope that they will provide information about the crucial first moments of the universe in ways other instruments cannot. “People talk about the Square Kilometre Array as enabling us to detect the radiation from the Big Bang, but that is not strictly correct, Professor Jesper Munch of Adelaide University told Australasian Science. For the first 300 million years the universe was opaque to all electromagnetic radiation. However, gravitational waves could propagate through this early universe, and we can thus in principle detect signatures from the time of the Big Bang. It is probably the only way we can get signals from the origin of the universe.

Merely detecting a way is exciting, but we want more information than that it exists. The strength of the wave is expected to vary at different wavelengths. Finding out where it is strongest and weakest will tell us a lot about how the inflation occurred. The most important information of all is how energy dense the universe was during this era, and this could potentially be found by comparing wavelengths.

Gravitational wave perturbations from those first moments are directly dependent on the inflation, unlike density perturbations which are modulated by an unknown potential energy function. Consequently they would give us direct evidence of the details of energy of inflation in those first moments.

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Scientists Detect Direct Evidence of Big Bang’s Gravitational Waves 17 Mar 2014 19:22 #2

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The model of waves in a pond can't be possible imo.
It doesn't involve the spin. Spin that is present at all levels of creation that i am aware of.
This model is fatally flawed by that oversight imo.
It also lends false credence to other dubious interpretations of data.
Cmb would have a very different 'explanation' in a model with spin. As may big bangs.
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Scientists Detect Direct Evidence of Big Bang’s Gravitational Waves 17 Mar 2014 20:50 #3

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dubmeup wrote:
The model of waves in a pond can't be possible imo.
It doesn't involve the spin. Spin that is present at all levels of creation that i am aware of.
This model is fatally flawed by that oversight imo.
It also lends false credence to other dubious interpretations of data.
Cmb would have a very different 'explanation' in a model with spin. As may big bangs.

I see nothing wrong with it tbh, there are electromagnetic waves for example, doesn't mean there's no 'spin' as such. Depends on the detection equipment used.
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Scientists Detect Direct Evidence of Big Bang’s Gravitational Waves 17 Mar 2014 20:54 #4

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Actually i'll correct myself. It isn't an oversight. It is a conscious decision within the model that all advocates of the model employ.
Not the only example. Renormalisation of the vacuum density being another conscious choice.
These choices are the model's downfall. It lies doomed to be perpetually amended and can therefore never reveal true insight.
It's all fucking here and now innit.
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Scientists Detect Direct Evidence of Big Bang’s Gravitational Waves 17 Mar 2014 21:00 #5

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andyh wrote:
dubmeup wrote:
The model of waves in a pond can't be possible imo.
It doesn't involve the spin. Spin that is present at all levels of creation that i am aware of.
This model is fatally flawed by that oversight imo.
It also lends false credence to other dubious interpretations of data.
Cmb would have a very different 'explanation' in a model with spin. As may big bangs.

I see nothing wrong with it tbh, there are electromagnetic waves for example, doesn't mean there's no 'spin' as such. Depends on the detection equipment used.
everything is spinning. The mathematics don't allow for/involve/explain that. It's ignored as a diabollically hard inconvenience.
Frames of reference are deliberately placed on the surface of an 'object' in order to make the maths easier. These are fatal flaws.
I aint saying there is no value in the study but i am saying that no true understanding can be born of a model built on such hard and fast flaws.
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Scientists Detect Direct Evidence of Big Bang’s Gravitational Waves 17 Mar 2014 21:36 #6

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dubmeup wrote:
andyh wrote:
dubmeup wrote:
The model of waves in a pond can't be possible imo.
It doesn't involve the spin. Spin that is present at all levels of creation that i am aware of.
This model is fatally flawed by that oversight imo.
It also lends false credence to other dubious interpretations of data.
Cmb would have a very different 'explanation' in a model with spin. As may big bangs.

I see nothing wrong with it tbh, there are electromagnetic waves for example, doesn't mean there's no 'spin' as such. Depends on the detection equipment used.
everything is spinning. The mathematics don't allow for/involve/explain that. It's ignored as a diabollically hard inconvenience.
Frames of reference are deliberately placed on the surface of an 'object' in order to make the maths easier. These are fatal flaws.
I aint saying there is no value in the study but i am saying that no true understanding can be born of a model built on such hard and fast flaws.

Well its either that or nothing at all :D
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Scientists Detect Direct Evidence of Big Bang’s Gravitational Waves 17 Mar 2014 22:00 #7

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Scientists Detect Direct Evidence of Big Bang’s Gravitational Waves 19 Mar 2014 07:09 #8

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What do you do if you just discovered direct evidence of gravitational waves from a cosmic inflation event that took place 0.0000000000000000000000000000000001 seconds after the Big Bang? If you’re Chao-Lin Kuo, you go straight to one of the men who helped found the inflation theory and you tell him to his face that his life’s work has been validated.
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Scientists Detect Direct Evidence of Big Bang’s Gravitational Waves 19 Mar 2014 08:04 #9

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andy wrote:
Well its either that or nothing at all :D
i don't get what you mean there, andy.
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dubmeup wrote:
andy wrote:
Well its either that or nothing at all :D
i don't get what you mean there, andy.

You wouldn't know particles have spin without science to take a look at it ;)
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Am all for science, andy. It's shonky 'science' that i frown upon.

Spin is a massive and deliberate hole in the current model. As I said, it isn't an isolated 'flaw'.
Renormalization of the density of 'space'.
The inbuilt headfuck of the 2nd law of thermodynamics. As in no observable system is isolated.
That one in particular gets my goat because the 2nd law has become a propaganda tool. When it doesn't actually apply to any conceivable thing in 'reality'.
I can state this with certainty. The universe will never ever suffer heat death through the culmination of the second law ;)
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dubmeup wrote:
Am all for science, andy. It's shonky 'science' that i frown upon.

Spin is a massive and deliberate hole in the current model. As I said, it isn't an isolated 'flaw'.
Renormalization of the density of 'space'.
The inbuilt headfuck of the 2nd law of thermodynamics. As in no observable system is isolated.
That one in particular gets my goat because the 2nd law has become a propaganda tool. When it doesn't actually apply to any conceivable thing in 'reality'.
I can state this with certainty. The universe will never ever suffer heat death through the culmination of the second law ;)

Well my missus' digestive system already breaks conservation of energy so.... :p
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