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Self-sufficiency is the state of not requiring any aid, support, or interaction, for survival; it is therefore a type of personal or collective autonomy. The term self-sufficiency is usually applied to varieties of sustainable living in which nothing is consumed outside of what is produced by the self-sufficient individuals. Examples of attempts at self-sufficiency include simple living, homesteading, off-the-grid, survivalism, DIY ethic and the back-to-the-land movement. Practices that enable or aid self-sufficiency include autonomous building, permaculture, sustainable agriculture, and renewable energy. The term is also applied to limited forms of self-sufficiency, for example growing one's own food or becoming economically independent of state subsidies. Read more: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-sufficiency
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The self sufficiency/sustainable community thread 18 Dec 2013 22:25 #1

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Here's a thread to discuss all things to do with disentangling ourselves from reliance on the corporate whore god bitch. A place to wax lyrical about ideas, issues, obstructions and research.
A corner to look into the steps others have taken and help eachother take our own steps toward deslaving humanity and living as worthy citizens of planet earth.



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The self sufficiency/sustainable community thread 19 Dec 2013 11:04 #2

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I watched this last night, and was thinking of sticking it on the 'disappeared' thread. Some really interesting FACTS that would have demonstrated the balance I was trying to explain on the original thread.
Regardless of it being christmas based, it reflects on life in general during the war years, of which they made a separate series. Their current one is the medieval farm which is when agriculture went through its massive transformation due to the church, and laid down the ground rules to agriculture as opposed to farming which it had been, that we know today.


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The self sufficiency/sustainable community thread 19 Dec 2013 11:15 #3

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Cheers me dear, I'll check that out this evning :)
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The self sufficiency/sustainable community thread 19 Dec 2013 11:46 #4

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Great idea for a thread :thumbup:

I hope I can contribute some knowledge here ............
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The self sufficiency/sustainable community thread 19 Dec 2013 18:31 #5

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WHEN you run out of land in a crowded city, the solution is obvious: build upwards. This simple trick makes it possible to pack huge numbers of homes and offices into a limited space such as Hong Kong, Manhattan or the City of London. Mankind now faces a similar problem on a global scale. The world's population is expected to increase to 9.1 billion by 2050, according to the UN. Feeding all those people will mean increasing food production by 70%, according to the UN's Food and Agriculture Organisation, through a combination of higher crop yields and an expansion of the area under cultivation. But the additional land available for cultivation is unevenly distributed, and much of it is suitable for growing only a few crops. So why not create more agricultural land by building upwards?

Such is the thinking behind vertical farming. The idea is that skyscrapers filled with floor upon floor of orchards and fields, producing crops all year round, will sprout in cities across the world. As well as creating more farmable land out of thin air, this would slash the transport costs and carbon-dioxide emissions associated with moving food over long distances. It would also reduce the spoilage that inevitably occurs along the way, says Dickson Despommier, a professor of public and environmental health at Columbia University in New York who is widely regarded as the progenitor of vertical farming, and whose recently published book, “The Vertical Farm”, is a manifesto for the idea. According to the UN's Population Division, by 2050 around 70% of the world's population will be living in urban areas. So it just makes sense, he says, to move farms closer to where everyone will be living.

Better still, says Dr Despommier, the use of pesticides, herbicides and fungicides can be kept to a bare minimum by growing plants indoors in a controlled environment. Soil erosion will not be a problem because the food will be grown hydroponically—in other words, in a solution of minerals dissolved in water. Clever recycling techniques will ensure that only a fraction of the amount of water and nutrients will be needed compared with conventional farming, and there will no problem with agricultural run-off.

A wide variety of designs for vertical farms have been created by architectural firms. (The idea can arguably be traced back as far as the Hanging Gardens of Babylon, built around 600BC.) So far, however, the idea remains firmly on the drawing board. Would it really work?
“Without artificial lighting the result will be an uneven crop, as plants closest to the windows are exposed to more sunlight and grow more quickly.”

The necessary technology already exists. The glasshouse industry has more than a century's experience of growing crops indoors in large quantities, says Gene Giacomelli, director of the Controlled Environment Agriculture Centre at the University of Arizona in Tucson. It is now possible to tailor the temperature, humidity, lighting, airflow and nutrient conditions to get the best productivity out of plants year round, anywhere in the world, he says. The technology of hydroponics allows almost any kind of plant to be grown in nutrient-rich water, from root crops like radishes and potatoes to fruit such as melons and even cereals like maize.

There are a number of ways to do it, but essentially hydroponics involves suspending plants in a medium—such as gravel, wool or a form of volcanic glass known as perlite—while the roots are immersed in a solution of nutrient-rich water. A constant flow of air keeps the plants bathed in carbon dioxide. Any nutrients and water that are not taken up by the roots can be recycled, rather than being lost into the soil. “You can grow anything with hydroponics,” says Dr Giacomelli.

He and his colleagues have created the South Pole Food Growth Chamber, which has been in operation since 2004. This semi-automated hydroponic facility in Antarctica is used to provide each of the 65 staff of the Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station with at least one fresh salad a day during the winter months, when supply flights to the station are extremely limited. The chamber has a floor area of 22 square metres and produces a wide range of fruit and vegetables with little more than the occasional topping up of water and nutrients. It does, however, require artificial lighting because the station is without natural daylight for most of the winter.

Let there be light

And that highlights a big potential stumbling-block for vertical farming. In the Antarctic the need to provide artificial light is a small price to pay for fresh food, given the cost of importing it. But elsewhere the cost of powering artificial lights will make indoor farming prohibitively expensive. Even though crops growing in a glass skyscraper will get some natural sunlight during the day, it won't be enough. Without artificial lighting the result will be an uneven crop, as the plants closest to the windows are exposed to more sunlight and grow more quickly, says Peter Head, global leader of planning and sustainable development at Arup, a British engineering firm. “Light has to be very tightly controlled to get uniform production of very high-quality food,” he says.

Indeed, even in today's single-storey glasshouses, artificial lighting is needed to enable year-round production. Thanet Earth, a 90-hectare facility which opened in Kent in 2008 and is the largest such site in Britain—it provides 15% of the British salad crop—requires its own mini power-station to provide its plants with light for 15 hours a day during the winter months. This rather undermines the notion that vertical farming will save energy and cut carbon emissions, notes Mr Head, who has carried out several studies of the idea. Vertical farming will need cheap, renewable energy if it is to work, he says.

Some researchers, such as Ted Caplow, an environmental engineer and founder of New York Sun Works, a non-profit group, argue that even using renewable energy the numbers do not add up. Between 2006 and 2009 Dr Caplow and his colleagues operated the Science Barge, a floating hydroponic greenhouse moored in Manhattan (it has since moved to Yonkers). “It was to investigate what we could do to grow food in the heart of the city with minimal resource-consumption and maximum resource-efficiency,” says Dr Caplow.

The barge used one-tenth as much water as a comparable field farm. There was no agricultural run-off, and chemical pesticides were replaced with natural predators such as ladybirds. Operating all year round, the barge could grow 20 times more than could have been produced by a field of the same size, says Dr Caplow.

Solar panels and wind turbines on the barge meant that it could produce food with near-zero net carbon emissions. But the greenhouses on the barge were only one storey high, so there was not much need for artificial lighting. As soon as you start trying to stack greenhouses on top of each other you run into problems, says Dr Caplow. Based on his experience with the Science Barge, he has devised a rule of thumb: generating enough electricity using solar panels requires an area about 20 times larger than the area being illuminated. For a skyscraper-sized hydroponic farm, that is clearly impractical. Vertical farming will work only if it makes use of natural light, Dr Caplow concludes.

Vertical, but only three metres tall
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One idea, developed by Valcent, a vertical-farming firm based in Texas, Vancouver and Cornwall, is to use vertically stacked hydroponic trays that move on rails, to ensure that all plants get an even amount of sunlight. The company already has a 100-square-metre working prototype at Paignton Zoo in Devon, producing rapid-cycle leaf vegetable crops, such as lettuce, for the zoo's animals. The VerticCrop system (pictured) ensures an even distribution of light and air flow, says Dan Caiger-Smith of Valcent. Using energy equivalent to running a desktop computer for ten hours a day it can produce 500,000 lettuces a year, he says. Growing the same crop in fields would require seven times more energy and up to 20 times more land and water.

But VertiCrop uses multiple layers of stacked trays that operate within a single-storey greenhouse, where natural light enters from above, as well as from the sides. So although this boosts productivity, it doesn't help with multi-storey vertical farms. Even if each floor rotates its crops past the windows so that all plants receive an equal amount of natural light, overall they would get less light, and so produce less biomass, says Dr Caplow. He prefers the idea of the “vertically integrated greenhouse”. This idea involves the integration of vertical farms into buildings and offices, with plants growing around the edges of the building, sandwiched between two glass layers and rotating on a conveyor. Shrouding buildings with plants solves the natural-light problem for agriculture, acts as a passive form of climate control for the buildings and makes for a nice view. But the area available is much smaller.

The immediate opportunity may simply be to take advantage of the space available on urban rooftops, says Mr Head, and to pursue urban farming rather than vertical farming. BrightFarms Systems, a commercial offshoot of NYSW, is working with Gotham Greens, another company to emerge from the Science Barge, to create the world's first commercial urban hydroponic farm in Brooklyn. When it opens in 2011, the 15,000 square-foot rooftop facility will produce 30 tonnes of vegetables a year which will be sold in local stores under the Gotham Greens brand name.

Although this is urban hydroponics, not vertical farming, it is a step in the right direction, says Mr Head. “I wouldn't be at all surprised if we saw large retailers with greenhouses on their roofs growing produce for sale in the shop,” he says. A few examples of this have already sprung up. BrightFarms, for example, together with a firm called Better Food Solutions, began constructing a large single-storey glasshouse on the roof of a big supermarket in October. The supermarket agrees to buy the produce and owns the farm, while Better Food Solutions builds it and runs it. The first fruit and vegetables are expected to go on sale in early 2011.

It is unclear how competitive this will be. Rooftop farming may not be able to compete with other suppliers in a global market unless people are prepared to pay a premium for fresh, local food, says Mr Head. And it is much less glamorous than the grand vision of crops being produced in soaring green towers of glass. But, for the time being, this more down-to-earth approach is much more realistic than the sci-fi dream of fields in the sky.
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The self sufficiency/sustainable community thread 19 Dec 2013 19:01 #6

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Interesting documentary Jane. I didn't get quite to the end :emb: but especially liked the bit when they were brewing tattie beer and the old boy decided to add on a collector for pine oil :thumbup: That kind of thinking is crucial imho. Simple stuff that uses simple logic/knowledge/nouse to make the most of the resources. Things like heat exchangers around flue pipes are easy enough to create and go a huge way toward getting the most benefit possible from your resource for another example.
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The self sufficiency/sustainable community thread 19 Dec 2013 19:20 #7

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That was a very good read sb. I found that as I read I got questions come up and as I got further, it addressed those questions. I like reads like that :thumbup:
The light question being the main one I had.
Tbf, you could probably run halides for quite a while before you got anywhere near the 'co footprint' of the current system. Agriculture consumes a lot, an awful lot, of fossil fuel.


Did I say it was....a lot?

Localised food production is a superb idea ofc and I commend these folk for trying to develop a working urban system. I do ofc share their concerns over the amount of energy required to do if it is going to be part of a 'solution'. If they do sort it out then hey, why stop at cities? ;)
Localisation though, does have it's limits. You may have just the soil for growing NaN berries but your neighbour may be on a different vein and may not be able to. She might have soil more suited to growing wingnut squash. So whilst local production has to be at the heart of any 'solution', I can't see it as an absolute. We want quality of life and choice don't we, not just survival. Therefore I can still see a need for food moving about...I guess I'm concerned that too much localisation could lead to insularity. We still need to see ourselves as being part of the wider world community, not apart from it. Once that set in, the dictators wouldn't be far away..

This kind of takes me to a sideline. Division of labour. In times gone by, individuals needed to be very much more multi skilled than they are today. They had to be able to turn a hand to anything. Then as the division of labour took over, the individual became progressively less skilled and more specialised in their work. There is a necessary balance to be struck here. Division of labour offers us greater productivity and arguably a far higher standard of living. Too much of it and you end up with total reliance of the individual, on everyone else. That makes the community as a whole, vulnerable. Start breaking a few chain links and the whole thing collapses. Somewhere along the line we need to find the balance point.
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The self sufficiency/sustainable community thread 03 Jan 2014 10:59 #8

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Just been reading a bit about aquaponics, which looks like a damned good idea! I'll read in more depth, but the basics are that you have particular edible fish in tanks, such as carp, perch, rainbow trout - with trays for growing veggies in above. Pumps circulate water between the tanks / trays, so that the fish feed the plants with their waste, and the plants purify the water for the fish to live healthily in, and you get both veg & fish (unpolluted by contaminants) to eat all year round.

As only evaporated water needs replacing, they can keep producing when droughts screw up your traditional garden production.

Looked at some set-ups in sheds & polytunnels, but you could stick one in your garage or cellar if you're lucky enough to have one. It can be practiced on any scale. People can have them up on roof top if they're tight for space, but if it strikes me you'd need to take into account their exposure to winds up there. Some folk have them in their houses even.

Has anyone here got any experience of it?

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The self sufficiency/sustainable community thread 17 Feb 2014 22:32 #9

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I intend on giving this a go on a MUCH smaller scale this year

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I only recently realised how much cheaper and self sufficient it would be to live and work in one place - on commercial premises.

I imagine it's illegal in several ways :roll: but pretty unenforcable I reckon.

A few people I recently met rent rural workshops with land - small enough to qualify for no business rates, in which they live and work - either in part of the building converted, or one has a caravan site office :) No council tax, space and room to make your own money to pay your rent, grow your own food etc, trade locally rather than buy. If I were on my own I'd seriously consider it :flower:
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The self sufficiency/sustainable community thread 17 Feb 2014 22:47 #10

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It's definitely an idea that has wings. Summat i often consider meself. Rent the land with a building and plant a caravan in it.
You hqve to be savvy but it's doable.
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The self sufficiency/sustainable community thread 01 Apr 2014 17:48 #11

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This is very similar to how the Navaho Indians used their growing house, the had no glass of course, but laid thin branches across the top to let light inside encouraging their plants to grow upwards, they also had sumps below the growing boxes to collect the colder heavier air away from ground level.

Also duringuring the blockade of Paris growers used the cloche bell method where they grew food almost around the clock under glass bells and raised beds covered with willow matting.

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The self sufficiency/sustainable community thread 01 Apr 2014 19:41 #12

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Thanks for resurrecting this thread Layton. I'd not seen it until now.

Thanks for starting it dubs.....definitely something we should all be looking at and something I have sadly neglected over the last year or so.
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