Ab Origine wrote:
@ the f00kin size of that jaffa..omfg /drool

andyh wrote:
Hands off Andy! ....IT'S MINE....ALL MINE....Mwahahahahaha!

Thank you Abs

Jane

I fucking hate jaffa cakes

Shouldn't even be allowed...

There is a cost to run this site and so whoever pays for the site ultimately has to decide. They don't actually have to ask members for input on moderation etc.

Having said that we are a community who all contribute. If you get pissed off and leave then the community suffers(in theory at least).

The community does not have to agree on everything but if you only do things based on 100% consensus then I don't expect many changes. It is just a forum though so I don't think any business here is that important.

I think in an ideal community people should agree on things as much as possible. 100% is ideal and in the right community might even be possible.

Just because it is not achievable though is no reason to not strive for that.

The jaffas were in the back of the cupboard....I left your chocolate digestives alone....Yuk!


Jane

i-baster wrote:
Fair points...however, it must also be taken into consideration that there are 'donations' being made here (though probably not as many as the owner might like ) to cover the costs.

This may lead to those who have contributed feeling a bit sore about certain issues. So, whilst I agree that ultimately the site is owned by one person (who I know has no intention of doing anything to hurt our community) this must surely also be considered, particularly when making changes that will effect everyone here.

Personally, I think the way things are at present are workable, but granted, they're open to abuse. Again, I don't think that likely but it may be an issue for some. Way I see it, we either take a hard-line on funding (which I'm sure nobody really wants to see happening) or come to consensus on issues as we have done in the past.

i-baster wrote:
???
I didn't see the site and some specific consensus about it being mentioned in the OP lol
Was it inferred oi? :p

psketti wrote:
Spoilsport :p

feather wrote:
^ What they said...

@ i-baster..."Just because it is not achiev­able though is no rea­son to not strive for that."

Meanwhile, no agreement's been reached as to how and when to judge a poll to be completed - therefore, no proposed changes can be implemented, and setting/partaking in such polls will have been a monumental waste of time.

@ Abs..."or come to con­sen­sus on issues as we have done in the past."

How did you do it in the past?

psketti wrote: I always thought you were a wrong'un.

Gilly wrote: The very stagnation I referred to in post 12.

We can't even reach consensus on jaffa cakes.

To my mind this and associated issues have come to define the sz more than owt else. Itcs inception was to be a community where everyone's voice was equal. On the whole, the place has stuck to that principle but when it comes to stuff like this its been a fail of epic proportion. Not once can i remember seeing anything decided by voting. The removal of the private area being a prime example, the thread just fizzled out.... i can see all of the points of view here and am not suggesting there is anything underhand but like oi, i would like to see clarification of how we as a community will deal with key decisions. Not the little things but big things like moderation, guest posting, private areas etc. At the moment i dont have a clue what this place is is it just another forum? Someone please let me know

dubmeup wrote:
Well the way I see it, the reason the polls might fizzle out, could be because there the points of how long they should run for, and what constitutes a deciding margin hadn't been decided. (Correct me if I'm wrong though, as I wasn't here when your Private Section thingy transpired, so I'm just judging from what I've seen).

In fairness, Feather has, today, opened 2 threads, to deal with those very two points. As I said earlier, I'm not sure what benefit there was to spreading it over this third thread, as it was already catered for - if anything, it's confused the issue, because people were invited to add any other variant to the existing polls.

Surely it would just simplify things if we got those points resolved, then we'd have a process that everybody understands for when we next want to consult with each other over a point?

I.e. We know that the vote will be open for --- days, everyone will be emailed to notify them so that they can vote if they want to, and a ---% majority will carry it through.

I don't see any reason to complicate it beyond that.

Does anyone see it differently?

Just to add that I was not here in the beginning so I had no idea of the original concept. I joined because it was a place to discuss topics etc. Others appear to have a much bigger investment in the idea of a utopian online forum.

Who pays the bills and what is their view? I ask because it seems like a place to start.

Oh I also hate Jaffa cakes and do not miss them since leaving Jaffa land.

I'm genuinely shocked.

How can anybody not like Jaffa Cakes. You're weirdos.

@ dubs,

We are trying our best to address the concerns you brought up there as we speak.

You mentioned the guest posting issue. Having a poll thread to decide a key issue such as that doesn't seem to be the answer right? Nothing gets resolved to everybody's satisfaction.

Surely the only truly fair way to decide these key issues, the big decisions, is to make sure that EVERYONE gets a chance to give their input.

The only effective way to do that is by postal ballot, via email. Sent out to every single member.

dubmeup wrote: When I started these related threads I did so as an individual member and made that clear from the onset.
If the mod title were to be considered a restriction from being able to participate as a normal member, either from the other users or site admins, I would happily surrender that title in a heartbeat. I don't do apartheid in any form.

I was aware there were perhaps unresolved/undefined issues around some of these areas and I was curious to hear peoples thoughts and opinions on how we may resolve them.
So if voting was to be the method, (and it is by no means an unusual or radical option), what percentage did folks generally consider would carry it and how long would a typical poll run? seemed to be a reasonable points to begin investigating those undefined or potentially contested areas.

I had hoped to do that without the tensions or emotions which could be introduced by any current votes.
To separate out the method by which we could reach conclusion and knock that around as dispassionately and as objectively as possible.
Why?
So that when a decision is required it does not become sidetracked into arguments about process, ideology and entrenchment and therefore never end up resolved.
We have to start that calm discussion sometime or we will simply bang into each other and get nowhere forever.
People really do get bored of this stuff very quickly.

Ab Origine wrote:
Yeah but unless we all pay a subscription then we don't really 'own' the community unless the owner says "merry Christmas".

We could pay for a voice but that might end up with a drop in membership. So really it depends on what the owner wants to happen. If I donate it is a gift with no reward. Not even Jaffa cakes.