@ dubs,

We are trying our best to address the concerns you brought up there as we speak.

You mentioned the guest posting issue. Having a poll thread to decide a key issue such as that doesn't seem to be the answer right? Nothing gets resolved to everybody's satisfaction.

Surely the only truly fair way to decide these key issues, the big decisions, is to make sure that EVERYONE gets a chance to give their input.

The only effective way to do that is by postal ballot, via email. Sent out to every single member.

If I donate it is a gift with no reward. Not even Jaffa cakes.

diamondgeezer wrote:
I agree with you DG - but just for clarity, once and for all, will it then be a straight majority win?

oioioi wrote: Single me out if you feel that's appropriate mate. I'm a big lad with broad shoulders.

I spent 20+ years as a community worker.
My entire objective in that period was to maximise community participation and control, ideally with consensus.
I have NEVER once seen that come to full fruition because people become entrenched in their opinions and won't be moved.

It is from that experience that I believe, (regrettably), that your aim is laudable but idealistic and only leads to endless pedantic nitpicking, stagnation and boredom.

Once again, I have asked many times for examples of this form of online community 'management' in working practice and nothing has ever been offered up. I suspect there is a damn good reason for that.

I don't ask as a "ahh gotchya" type query,
I'm asking because I would sincerely like to witness it and study how it was achieved and maintained.

I honestly get tempted to challenge you to go set up an online community along these principles and invite me over to watch it's progress. I would love to see it working.

Again mate, we have no personal beef, (that I'm aware of), and I hope you accept I don't mean the above challenge in the form of "If you don't like it, move to Canada!" vein. Fuck that nonsense, I want you here.

i think no too. i dont want to play politics

angelchemuel wrote:

Who pays the bills and what is their view? I ask because it seems like a place to start.

We used to use consensus decision making in the Social Forum which met for 3 hrs every week, we still managed to reach consensus on many issues.

I AM ALL I AM wrote:
Who 'saddled' me with their definition of 'convince'?

batou wrote:
Thanks for voting

@ Abs..."or come to con­sen­sus on issues as we have done in the past."

How did you do it in the past?

Gilly wrote:
If everyone has been contacted and has had the chance to vote (if they wish to), then I don't see why not do you?

Thats just my opinion mind, not clarification as any 'definite'. This is all still under discussion as things stand atm.

i-baster wrote:
And that's exactly the way it is

The first poll needs to be double edged, what time frame and what percentage? Until these are resolved we'll be going round in circles forever.

oioioi wrote: I'm not familiar with it. Does it still exist? If not, what happened?

psketti wrote:
I wasn't suggesting it wasn't, either,

oioioi wrote: Sorry man but Is that not the very discussions which ground to a halt earlier?

Discussion ceased, time to vote!