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Criminal gang run by ugly bald bastard trying to kill people by starving them. 15 Mar 2013 15:50 #1

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DWP seeks law change to avoid benefit repayments after Poundland ruling.

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Iain Duncan Smith's department has introduced legislation to 'protect the national economy' from a £130m payout to jobseekers. Photograph: David Fisher / Rex Features

The Department for Work and Pensions has introduced emergency legislation to reverse the outcome of a court of appeal decision and "protect the national economy" from a £130m payout to jobseekers deemed to have been unlawfully punished.

The retroactive legislation, published on Thursday evening and expected to be rushed through parliament on Tuesday, will effectively strike down a decision by three senior judges and deny benefit claimants an average payout of between £530 and £570 each.

Last month the court of appeal ruled that science graduate Cait Reilly and fellow complainant and unemployed lorry driver Jamieson Wilson had been unlawfully made to work unpaid for organisations including Poundland because the DWP had not given jobseekers enough legal information about what they were being made to do.

The ruling meant that hundreds of thousands of jobseekers who had been financially penalised for falling foul of half a dozen employment schemes, including the government's flagship Work Programme, would have been entitled to a full rebate if a final government appeal was rejected by the supreme court.

However, the government has instead published a seven-page jobseekers (back to work schemes) bill to head off a potential multimillion-pound payout and "protect the national economy".

The Guardian understands that Labour will support the fast-tracked bill with some further safeguards and that negotiations with the coalition are ongoing.

The new bill would also put a stop to any potential claims for the national minimum wage, which could otherwise be due to those who spent weeks working for no pay at high street chains such as Tesco, Matalan and Argos.

Lawyers and campaigners branded the DWP's move as "repugnant" and "unbelievably disgusting", saying it undermined the rule of law.

Official notes to the bill admit the legislative mess was caused by the court of appeal's ruling. "The effect of the court's judgment is that the Department for Work and Pensions had no right to impose a sanction on claimants who had failed to meet their requirements," they say.

However, the explanatory notes add: "Once enacted, [the bill] will ensure that any such decisions cannot be challenged on the grounds that the [back to work employment scheme] regulations were invalid … notwithstanding the court of appeal's judgment. Therefore benefit sanctions already imposed or to be imposed, will stand."

A DWP spokesperson said: "This legislation will protect taxpayers and make sure we won't be paying back money to people who didn't do enough to find work."

Tessa Gregory from Public Interest Lawyers, who successfully represented Reilly and Wilson at the court of appeal, said the legislation smacked of desperation.

"The emergency bill is a repugnant attempt by the secretary of state for work and pensions to avoid his legal obligation to repay the thousands of jobseekers, who like my client Jamieson Wilson, have been unlawfully and unfairly stripped of their subsistence benefits.

"The use of retrospective legislation, which is being fast-tracked through parliament, smacks of desperation. It undermines the rule of law and means that Iain Duncan Smith is once again seeking to avoid proper parliamentary scrutiny of his actions.

"It is time for his department to admit that maladministration and injustice costs. In light of the bill we are considering what further legal action we can take on behalf of our clients."

A spokesperson for Boycott Workfare, a grassroots organisation that has campaigned to stop forced unpaid work schemes, said the move was disgusting. They added that they were shocked that Labour was supporting the move.

"This is almost unbelievably disgusting. They [the DWP] broke the law, now they want to retroactively change the law so that they didn't break the law in order to keep £130m out of the pockets of some of the poorest people in the country.

"The high court found workfare unlawful precisely because people had no way of knowing the rules that applied. It shows an incredible level of arrogance and disregard for the poorest to now attempt to backdate laws to challenge this ruling."

www.guardian.co.uk/society/2013/mar/15/d...jobseekers-poundland
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Criminal gang run by ugly bald bastard trying to kill people by starving them. 15 Mar 2013 15:53 #2

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I hope that cunt falls down some stairs. Or worse.
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Criminal gang run by ugly bald bastard trying to kill people by starving them. 15 Mar 2013 15:55 #3

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When criminals make the laws what can you do?

Three senior judges agree.
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Criminal gang run by ugly bald bastard trying to kill people by starving them. 15 Mar 2013 16:02 #4

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humanspirit wrote:
When criminals make the laws what can you do?

Fuck 'em and their law!

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Criminal gang run by ugly bald bastard trying to kill people by starving them. 15 Mar 2013 16:04 #5

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humanspirit wrote:
When criminals make the laws what can you do?

Push them down the stairs ourselves :coffee:
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Criminal gang run by ugly bald bastard trying to kill people by starving them. 15 Mar 2013 16:07 #6

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how do you guys take that? they force you to work for benefits right,,, even disabled people... at tescos and poundland? thats ridiculous, does anyone take it serious, like go to work with intention of working, or just go in and fuck around and steal shit?
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Criminal gang run by ugly bald bastard trying to kill people by starving them. 15 Mar 2013 16:08 #7

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The Guardian understands that Labour will support the fast-tracked bill

Labour party has been usurped by the rich bankers and industrialists,labour party is now tory lite.
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Criminal gang run by ugly bald bastard trying to kill people by starving them. 15 Mar 2013 16:42 #8

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I didn't see anyone changing the law to prevent the public purse from spending hundreds of times 130 million on bankers.
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Criminal gang run by ugly bald bastard trying to kill people by starving them. 15 Mar 2013 16:59 #9

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batou wrote:
how do you guys take that? they force you to work for benefits right,,, even disabled people... at tescos and poundland? thats ridiculous, does anyone take it serious, like go to work with intention of working, or just go in and fuck around and steal shit?
That was pretty much how I behaved when I had an actual paid job.
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Criminal gang run by ugly bald bastard trying to kill people by starving them. 15 Mar 2013 17:30 #10

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humanspirit wrote:
The Guardian understands that Labour will support the fast-tracked bill

Labour party has been usurped by the rich bankers and industrialists,labour party is now tory lite.

And has been since John Smith died, imo.

To still hear people tell me that it will be different when the tories are ousted is beyond laughable. :facepalm:

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And as it's the Guardian let's have a Guardian-style comment. :D

We were chatting over a coffee, simple filter, not Nescafe (baby-killers) and started to think out loud. Isn't it amazing that we can find £30bn to spend on Trident but we can't afford even basic woodwind lessons for all Primary school pupils? We should all go back to living in communes like they did in Sweden in the 70s!
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Criminal gang run by ugly bald bastard trying to kill people by starving them. 16 Mar 2013 03:40 #11

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Hanging's too good for em try shooting a few of the fuckers for starters :beer:
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Criminal gang run by ugly bald bastard trying to kill people by starving them. 16 Mar 2013 09:52 #12

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Does anyone think its about time someone started to fight back?
Or is venting on a forum enough to make us feel secure in ourselves?
What will our kids say? And their kids?
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Criminal gang run by ugly bald bastard trying to kill people by starving them. 16 Mar 2013 10:01 #13

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knobhead wrote:
Does anyone think its about time someone started to fight back?
Or is venting on a forum enough to make us feel secure in ourselves?
What will our kids say? And their kids?

And do what exactly......
Some will majority won't cause it will interfere with Coro Street, And Eastenders but might be able to squeeze in a Revolution in between American Idol & The X Factor :coffee:
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Criminal gang run by ugly bald bastard trying to kill people by starving them. 16 Mar 2013 11:01 #14

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dubmeknob wrote:
Does anyone think its about time someone started to fight back?
Or is venting on a forum enough to make us feel secure in ourselves?

I agree.

I think the big problem is wondering what to do and where to start. I think it can be demoralising because everything thinks against you. But if you talk to people (who generally have no idea things could be any different because the idea media enforces the notion our political system is the best things can ever get) and get active in groups (start them if you have the confidence and enthusiasm) - political groups or issue based groups and just do some stuff. It may seem futile because you feel you're not getting anywhere, but you have to keep plugging away in the hope people will start to shake off their apathy.
And I think you have to let people do their own thing. Different approaches may be open to critique, but if some people write to the papers and others do direct action, well they prefer different tactics.

I also think it is easy to get disillusioned with people just moaning on the internet. However, for my part I come here to spout off. That's its function for me, and is not directly connected with anything politics related I may actually do. I think trying to actually do something via somewhere like here is not a bad thing, but I also think it's important not to get disillusioned if a bunch of frequently transient, disparate, geographically separated people many of whom have no idea who anyone else is on a personal basis fail to cohere around some kind of political action.
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Criminal gang run by ugly bald bastard trying to kill people by starving them. 16 Mar 2013 11:04 #15

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knobhead wrote:
Does anyone think its about time someone started to fight back?
Or is venting on a forum enough to make us feel secure in ourselves?
What will our kids say? And their kids?

Some people are trying to fight back.
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Criminal gang run by ugly bald bastard trying to kill people by starving them. 16 Mar 2013 11:40 #16

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There are about 50 demos taking place around the UK today against the bedroom tax,i should be at the manchester demo but dont think I can make it.

www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-na...om-tax-29134722.html

list of places having demos on this website-

www.leftfutures.org/2013/03/join-the-pro...nst-the-bedroom-tax/
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Criminal gang run by ugly bald bastard trying to kill people by starving them. 16 Mar 2013 11:57 #17

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Goldman sachs are holding back on the multi million pound bonuses for their staff until the 50% to 45% top tax rate reduction goes through ;)
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DM, I AM disillusioned. Back in the 90s there were so many 'active' folk and so much action taking place that I genuinely felt critical mass was looming. Then people just seemed to go back to apathy. I have to wonder if that coinciding with the spread of the internet is mere coincidence. Nowadays I do get frustrated that so many do zilch except moan.
I keep plugging away, but am really conscious that it seems a losing battle. And that makes me moan on the internet ;)
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Criminal gang run by ugly bald bastard trying to kill people by starving them. 16 Mar 2013 13:20 #19

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I see on the news that anyone with a Cypriot bank account is being robbed by the EU/ banks...ATMs not working etc....

It will be interesting to see the peoples reaction to this.....

How much more shit will people take?...I include the UK, before we all say enough is enough?
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Criminal gang run by ugly bald bastard trying to kill people by starving them. 16 Mar 2013 16:22 #20

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knobhead wrote:
Does anyone think its about time someone started to fight back?
Or is venting on a forum enough to make us feel secure in ourselves?
What will our kids say? And their kids?
Salutations knobhead, :killinme:
What would you consider fighting back?
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